Level Design Contest #30 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)

[JRT]

And this one saves all 20!

If the solution is what i think it is, then...

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a fix could be to move that platform above back 1 pixel, although it will increase the precision a bit.

Oh this breaks the concept of the level completely.

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Moving the other platforms will be problematic due to how the intended solution is supposed to work. I might have to start placing a few pixels of steel where you cast the basher digger combos such that it interferes with bashers but not diggers.

To fix...

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I will need to change the layout of the level somewhat to prevent the use of a turned around crowd. I have a funny feeling I will be editing this level right up until end of July and it still not being fixed.

[Crane]

I wish you luck in fixing the level.  Sorry to cause such a break.  I've learnt the hard way that the more intricate a solution, the easier it is to break.  Also some advanced tricks that one might not be aware of is also a destroyer of souls (blockers in digger pits did it for me once!)

On another note, after a lot of fiddling, I got the gold talisman for "March of the Neutrals"!

ADDENDUM: Also completed:

Set to Kill!

This was very fiddly and certainly can't be done without NeoLemmix frame stepping and replay editing (blue R), but was a nice puzzle to work out.

[ericderkovits]

@ Crane

your Gold Talisman solution to my Rule 2 level is fine although yours is a lot more fiddy than than the intended one.

[Crane]

I did wonder that - I'm glad you approve though!  I dare ask... what's the name of the song that the level's music track is based on?  I know the melody, but unfortunately I only know it through a rude version!!

EDIT: Found it.  It's "When Johnny Comes Marching Home".

ADDENDUM: Got another gold talisman solution.  Not quite as fiddly, but still fiddly near the start.

[ericderkovits]

The song is When Johnny comes marching home

ie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtEqgG2EdTs

I got the track used in the level from LB999's Classical Lemmings here on the forum

[Crane]

Thanks Ericderkovits.  I never knew it it was an American Civil War song.  Now I'm trying to learn the lyrics and sing it correctly to the melody!

[ericderkovits]

also your 2nd Gold Talisman solution (Rule 2) is fine (way less fiddy)

@ Crane
Here is my Gold Talisman solution for comparison.  For anyone else don't download and watch if you don't want to be spoiled.

also included the Silver Talisman solution although if you solve the Gold one it automatically get's the silver too.

[kaywhyn]

I've made an edit to the starting post underneath the link Icho provided where there are some styles needed for a few levels in this contest pack have now been included in the standard tileset library. So, this means that you may now either continue to grab the required styles through the link Icho provided in the starting post, or you can get them through the styles manager in the NL player. Either way works

Playing these levels has improved my solving skill quite a bit, although I am somewhat slower than you and Armani... certainly not fast enough for a YouTube series yet!  Certain tricks I wouldn't have thought of though, since I'm still getting to grips with some of the newer skills.

Hehe, thanks for the compliment Yea, the new skills do take some getting used to. Definitely a lot of possibilities and puzzle potential with the 21 skills available for NL!

I dare ask... what's the name of the song that the level's music track is based on?  I know the melody, but unfortunately I only know it through a rude version!!

EDIT: Found it.  It's "When Johnny Comes Marching Home".

Yea, there are some songs that use that tune but with different lyrics. In particular, a popular children's song that uses the tune is "The Ants Go Marching." When I first heard "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" not too long ago, I thought oh hey, it's the music that "The Ants Go Marching" uses.

Also @Crane, I think that might be a backroute for Icho's R2. You do have some things intended but others not so much. It's Icho's call, but I think he would agree with me there. Nice find!

[Crane]

Re-completed "The Incredible Doom Machine" - something tells me this might be intended!

[Crane]

Got another solution to "The Incredible Doom Machine".

[Crane]

Finally got the timing right on "Very Particular Set of Skills"!  Liam Neeson would be proud!

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Quite difficult to get the sequence right because of the risk of lemmings walking into the propellors or arriving too quickly for the lemmings up above to bomb away the obstructions.  Enjoyable little puzzle though.

[Armani]

@Crane

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There's slight difference in how you handle the crowd but close enough.

[kaywhyn]

@Crane

Sadly, I wish I could say you are right with your first solution resolve for my R2, but both solutions are backroutes. For V7, I restored the basher pickups to where they were in V5 before I moved them again before seeing Armani's resolve. We both thought it be safe for me to move them to close to the lattice per his feedback, but you were able to find a way to cheese the level. Great find! I really should listen to the advice of it being risky to revert changes as that can either open up the same backroutes again or even new and different ones Then again, I tend to be very indecisive when it comes to backroute fixing. It's also something that stresses me out a lot. Over the years, I seem to spend way more time thinking of how to backroute fix than the time it takes me to play and solve levels! Even when I have been participating in 9 consecutive LDC's, I still haven't gotten a whole lot better at backroute fixing That's also when I even do extensive backroute testing of my own! In any case, it's been great seeing solutions from people other than Armani and Icho, such as you in this LDC, or like zanzindorf in the previous one. Overall, I still have a lot of work to do when it comes to backroute fixing!

Once more, I thank you for all the resolves but most importantly playing my levels!

[Armani]

For those who want to see the intended solutions to my levels, here it is
youtube link

[Mobiethian]

For those who want to see the intended solutions to my levels, here it is
youtube link

Lookin' good, Armani!