I'm currently correcting Lemmings

[DragonsLover]

Just a question first (if only Mike could be here) : Why does some objects and terrain parts are missing or moved in the PC Dos version? Why does Lemmings under PC is so different?

So, here's what I did and what I'm currently doing : I correct the levels. They'll be like the "original" ones.

Also, I just realised too that it is possible to get 100 Lemmings under Atari-ST. But I don't know if it could be corrected too.

And you'll say why I'm doing that? This is because I like Lemmings and it's kinda bad that the PC version isn't so good. I wish to do a "perfect" version of Lemmings.

[ccexplore]

So, here's what I did and what I'm currently doing : I correct the levels. They'll be like the "original" ones.

Wow, sorry to hear you have been wasting your time like this.̆ :winktounge:̆ Mindless already extracted and posted the level data for the Amiga version, as discussed̆here.̆ So there's no need for you to manually correct anything.

Also, I just realised too that it is possible to get 100 Lemmings under Atari-ST. But I don't know if it could be corrected too.

Doubtful.̆ The DOS games seem to set up its memory for no more than 80 lemmings.̆ Even having 81 lemmings will crash or hang the game.

And you'll say why I'm doing that? This is because I like Lemmings and it's kinda bad that the PC version isn't so good. I wish to do a "perfect" version of Lemmings.

Well, depending on your definition of perfection, I think this has already been done--just download an Amiga emulator and play the Amiga version of Lemmings!̆ :winktounge:

Seriously, there'll always be some things in the DOS version that can't really be fixed.̆ Like the music and sound effects compared with the Amiga version (true, some might prefer the tiny DOS sounds I guess).̆ Or that the more colorful high-performance mode in the DOS games generally don't work on modern machines.

Perhaps in time, EricLang's Lemmix can be made into a "perfect version of Lemmings".

[DragonsLover]

Perhaps in time, EricLang's Lemmix can be made into a "perfect version of Lemmings".

Then if EricLang do that, that would be excellent! But this version will only be for people that discovered it.

Well, depending on your definition of perfection, I think this has already been done--just download an Amiga emulator and play the Amiga version of Lemmings!

And what about these on abandonware websites? It is not everybody that thinks to get a copy of WinUAE with their kickstart roms. I don't want to correct the version for me, I want to correct it for THE OTHERS.

The DOS games seem to set up its memory for no more than 80 lemmings.

Ok then. So this doesn't matter now.

Seriously, there'll always be some things in the DOS version that can't really be fixed.  Like the music and sound effects compared with the Amiga version (true, some might prefer the tiny DOS sounds I guess).  Or that the more colorful high-performance mode in the DOS games generally don't work on modern machines.

This is normal, this is the DOS version! And also, it's a fact that it's an old game and probably that there weren't no sound blaster cards in that time (or maybe they didn't have enough memory to included it). For the High Performance mode, this is just for the skills bar. It is probably uglier than the classical Amiga version, but I can live with it.

I just want to improve the Dos version. I'm wasting my time you said? Ok! But at least, I'll do something better for Lemmings. Probably not the best ever, but at least, I will.

And btw, I send you a PM because I'm needing of help. But do you want to help me?

[ccexplore]

Perhaps in time, EricLang's Lemmix can be made into a "perfect version of Lemmings".

Then if EricLang do that, that would be excellent! But this version will only be for people that discovered it.

Well, depending on your definition of perfection, I think this has already been done--just download an Amiga emulator and play the Amiga version of Lemmings!

And what about these on abandonware websites? It is not everybody that thinks to get a copy of WinUAE with their kickstart roms. I don't want to correct the version for me, I want to correct it for THE OTHERS.

Well, regarding the Amiga version, I still managed to get everything I need with the help of Google, so it isn't that hard.̆ Maybe you can even just ask around and someone will be willing to give you the necessary files.

As for your discoverability concerns regarding EricLang's Lemmix, well, when you're all done with getting the "perfect version of DOS Lemmings", you still need to distribute out to "THE OTHERS".̆ So how is that any more or less discoverable than Lemmix?

I just want to improve the Dos version. I'm wasting my time you said? Ok! But at least, I'll do something better for Lemmings. Probably not the best ever, but at least, I will.

Well, I thought you want the "perfect" version mainly for your own use, since as far as I know no one else in the forum seem to have a demand for an improved DOS version.̆ I am merely suggesting whether it'd be easier if you just use the Amiga or similar other version instead.

Also, in the part of the post where I explicitly said you wasted your time, it was specifically with regards to your trying to add the missing water and fire objects in the various levels.̆ And that's because you don't need to do that yourself--Mindless was able to extract the Amiga version of the levels, which has all the missing water and fire objects, in LVL format.̆ Granted, you'd still need some work to incorporate them back into DOS's compressed levelXXX.dat files, but it at least saves you from actually editing the levels.

And btw, I send you a PM because I'm needing of help. But do you want to help me?

Definitely not now.̆ You might notice I'm not that active in the forums anyway, not even in the Chip's Challenge community.̆ I'm currently in the middle of a home purchase and simply don't have the focus to deal with what you want right now.̆ Maybe a month or two down the road.

Besides, I really don't know what kind of "perfection" you're seeking.̆ My impression is that the only thing that actually bothers you is the music always reverting to the first music when you replay a level.̆ I can probably fix that when I have time.̆ In fact, technically I already more or less fixed the music issue some time ago, if you don't mind the fact that it was based off the CD version of DOS Lemmings which has minor game-mechanical differences compared with the original version of DOS Lemmings.

Keep in mind again that you are the only one right now who's demanding such fixes.̆ Even the Lemmings Remake project has officially moved to using Lemmix instead of hacking DOS Lemmings, so whatever help I offer you is really mostly for your benefit.

[DragonsLover]

As for your discoverability concerns regarding EricLang's Lemmix, well, when you're all done with getting the "perfect version of DOS Lemmings", you still need to distribute out to "THE OTHERS".  So how is that any more or less discoverable than Lemmix?

Yes, you're right. But you must understand something: I'm very VERY meticulous and I like when games are very good without bugs and if I found some, I like to correct them and share a corrected version. And, I wanted to give a copy to a French abandonware website, so everybody will take this "good" version to play. But you're  surely right, maybe people won't bother it and I'm not 100% sure that they'll accept it. But anyway, I want to try. And of course, I don't expect to give a copy to EVERY abandonware websites. This would be crazy!

Also, in the part of the post where I explicitly said you wasted your time, it was specifically with regards to your trying to add the missing water and fire objects in the various levels.  And that's because you don't need to do that yourself--Mindless was able to extract the Amiga version of the levels, which has all the missing water and fire objects, in LVL format.  Granted, you'd still need some work to incorporate them back into DOS's compressed levelXXX.dat files, but it at least saves you from actually editing the levels.

When I posted this topic, I didn't see the topic of Mindless before. My mistake! I didn't know! But thanks for the info! Like you said: I wasted my time!

Definitely not now.  You might notice I'm not that active in the forums anyway, not even in the Chip's Challenge community.  I'm currently in the middle of a home purchase and simply don't have the focus to deal with what you want right now.  Maybe a month or two down the road.

Ok, you're busy! No problem dude! Take care of you!

[ccexplore]

And, I wanted to give a copy to a French abandonware website, so everybody will take this "good" version to play.

I hope the website you're releasing this to also has the original version of the game available for download.  Some people will always worry that any hacked versions of a game might have unknown mistakes that could affect actual gameplay, and therefore would prefer the original version despite its "imperfections".

[Tim]

I hope the website you're releasing this to also has the original version of the game available for download. Some people will always worry that any hacked versions of a game might have unknown mistakes that could affect actual gameplay, and therefore would prefer the original version despite its "imperfections".

Interestingly, I have the original version of lemmings right here at my house. http://www.geocities.com/timfoxxy_236/lemmingscd.jpg (The image is a little out of focus due to my camera quality)

Both the Original Lemmings and Oh No More Lemmings are clean and unhacked so if you want a copy of these let me know and I can send them to you.

Tim.

[Mindless]

Interestingly, I have the original version of lemmings right here at my house. http://www.geocities.com/timfoxxy_236/lemmingscd.jpg (The image is a little out of focus due to my camera quality)

Both the Original Lemmings and Oh No More Lemmings are clean and unhacked so if you want a copy of these let me know and I can send them to you.

Tim.

I'd really appreciate a copy!

[DragonsLover]

Me either!

If you could do a CD image (like with Nero) and upload it somewhere, that would be really nice!

I hope the website you're releasing this to also has the original version of the game available for download.  Some people will always worry that any hacked versions of a game might have unknown mistakes that could affect actual gameplay, and therefore would prefer the original version despite its "imperfections".

In fact, the website has Lemmings 95 and I considered this version as crap! Even crapper than the buggy Dos Lemmings! Not every levels are there, Lemmings can go through the top of the level, there are missing musics (and no Ohnomore songs)... But there are some features that are nice.

[Mindless]

Me either!

If you could do a CD image (like with Nero) and upload it somewhere, that would be really nice!

I think you meant "Me too!"  :tongue:

@timfoxxy_236: if you don't have nero, use http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm to make an ISO... send it via http://sendspace.com/ to yjvgqfi02@sneakemail.com

[Tim]

New problem: The nero image of the lemmings CD I just created is over 300 MB in size! What do I do now? Burn multiple CD copies and mail them to everyone? Uploading it somewhere is out of the question due to its size.

Tim.

[Mr. K]

You could use WinRAR to RAR it up into multiple volumes of a more uploadable size, then just upload a part or two whenever you can.  Eventually we'd have all the parts.

[Mindless]

You could use WinRAR to RAR it up into multiple volumes of a more uploadable size, then just upload a part or two whenever you can.  Eventually we'd have all the parts.

Or 7-Zip, because it usually compresses better.

[DragonsLover]

Yes, CD images are really big. Even compressed, they are big. It contains all the data of the CD.

Like Mindless, use SendSpace and sent it to this adress: dragonslover[at]globetrotter.net ([at] = @)

Yep, the upload will be long... That's the bad thing...

[Tim]

What!!! Its gonna take 5 hours to send the RAR file to you with SendSpace, dragonslover!
This isnt right...

Ksoft, how do I split the RAR file into multiple smaller files in WinRar? I cant see how to do it...

I cant download 7-Zip, Mindless. The only mirror doesnt work...