[NeoLemmix] Lemmings Cranium (150 levels) [Difficulty: Medium-Extreme]

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MASTER-88

Quote from: Crane on August 23, 2023, 08:12:32 PM
Heh, I'm glad you managed to solve Cunning 16 at last!  Levels are being patched nicely for 1.05 too!  You planning to go through the Challenge rank or Cute and Curious for sake of completion?  Some of the talismans are a little tough!

Many levels are remain yet. I am beat all levels your Cute mode. I am completed 16 levels in row curious mode. (will be back this later, its just intention i let some remains, because when i want solved easier levels sometimes when i am tired) I am currently completed 27/30 levels your cunning mode. And some half levels are completed challenge mode (how ever there is very hard talisman challenges remains, im not are catch notihing those ones) I am beat most your levels Chaos mode (1:01 version) but nearly all was backroute. So techincally im not are beat many your levels 1:04 version. Only few replays match here comparred 1:01.

I start focus my all effort cunning mode. I`ll also will hope my replays help you make pack harder & better. I´ll knew how frustrating it is make some extreme levels. I was personally very frustrated when i work my own pack Custom +3 Step 5 myself  Armani was my test player here. So i think i finally got at least accetable Step 5. But like Armani say. Its impossible avoid backroutes. Some pack have to be fixed even 100 times.

Be right back.:) This your pack is definitely one my personal favorite. :)

No worry i have a lot job with your pack yet. And its seems 1:05 version will be even much harder Cunning mode in future.

BTW:
I´ll se you not use sliders your pack. Is this your intention? Its one most genius skill IMO. There is tons different slider tricks, and most was news to me. Armani show me a lot.
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Most of my levels are relatively old and I started assembling the pack before the Slider and Laserer were introduced.  The Jumper and Shimmier are the latest skills used in the pack.  If I had to list the skills used:

* Climber
* Floater
* Bomber
* Blocker
* Builder
* Basher
* Miner
* Digger
* Walker
* Jumper
* Glider
* Swimmer
* Disarmer
* Stoner
* Platformer
* Stacker
* Fencer
* Cloner

Remember to give Challenge a try too!  Some of those levels are not easy!

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I also realised that Cunning has the largest concentration of 1 minute levels!

Remind me... which levels of Chaos haven't you completed yet in any form?

MASTER-88

Okay thanks answer.

About Cunning mode. There is only 2 level remain anymore. Just two levesl 20 & 30 are remain cunning 1:04. Completed level 23 today.

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Level 23 Oil Refinitery completion solution, not sure is it intented, but i think its might are pretty much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhLa_mcvaSU&t=1s&ab_channel=metroidmaster88, its no was too easy, take some 90 minutes to solved

Here is also Cunning 23 completion zip.

QuoteRemind me... which levels of Chaos haven't you completed yet in any form?

Hmm have to think.
Orginal Chaos mode levels.

My 1:01 playlist contains 23 videos.
But next levels are remain your oginal pack
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-Cn2MW-VOj3c0EEl3WdWAceBm_sCJCYq

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Level 3 incombressible. My PB is 94/95 lemmings to saved, but this level brutal hard IMO
Level 7 Don´t bother (serisouly im not are attempt that board very much. Only tested it. Have took its better later
Level 13 Cliffsihde Hostel (Some reason im not figured out anythings about this level. Even attempted it quite bit) I think i`ll need some special trainings
Level 14 Problem (I am attempt this but not are solved it.) I´ll also see you are blocked some backroute 1:04 versions
Level 15 Dropship (I am attempt this level only few times) So that pretty unique level for me. So Have took it later
Level 16 Highrise Hijinks (spend 1-2 hours working, but not solved. How ever im not are test all my ideas yet. So definitely back with this level later.
Level 21 Think Fast (a lot attempt this level like a lot level 3 too. My PB is 99% Cannot save last one.
Level 26 Are you kidding me. Im not are completed it myself. I bored it when i attempt it 1-2 month without any ideas. I later look Ichotolot replay and i´ll know this idea right now. Yes im not was figured out that very soon myself. :D
Level 27 Dodge this (making only some random attempts around 45 minutes. But not are work that seriously.
Level 29 Christmas Spirit (never are making any serious attempt here. So its pretty fresh level remain

How ever i  think only few my Chaos levels solution match your 1:04 version anymore.

Have to count some challanged levels later. I have several remain, but also several completions, but all completions in random orders. Yes i´ll agrees some your challenge levels are really hard. At least

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Hells Kitchen. I am attempt it but not completed it
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Crane

For Cunning 23:
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What you did at the start was a bit unintended, but I'll accept it, especially as everything else after that was the intended solution.  The intention at the start was that the first lemming starts building a few steps ahead of the trapdoor, the second lemming goes past, the third lemming becomes a "pass-through" blocker right below the trapdoor, and then the builder becomes a blocker before the fourth lemming passes.  You then release the first blocker with a miner in the crowd, and the pass-through blocker is released by the climber mining underneath, who can then escape that small alvove by climbing out.  I may still patch it, but it's such a minor thing and you would easily be able to re-solve it even if i didn't tell you the solution.

Indeed, Challenge 27 is quite hard but also unique because it forces this level to be solved differently to normal.  Challenge 27, 28 and 29 have a reputation of being very hard levels!

MASTER-88

Here we go again. Cunning 30 Run!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9DJN2Eo8ss&ab_channel=metroidmaster88

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Might be little bit backroute, because im not need all pick ups? just let one climber away. How ever this was really fun level, but very complicated one. Its take nearly 2 hours and several practice replays timings all lemmings "flood" correct

BTW I spend another 45-60 minutes level 20, but this level really like freeze me over again. Just cannot figured any working idea right now. I have to look it later again or moved challenge mode next. 20 is only cunning mode level remain yet. I think i´ll want all green marks UP.

EDIT****************
Cunnings Mode 1:04 is completed succesfully.
Level 20 Ziggurat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qekrd-d6tM&ab_channel=metroidmaster88

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Even extra lemmings saved. nearly 2 extra saved, but my time ended few frames before goal, i think 1 lost solution might be barely possible with better releaserate manipulation, this time limit is extreme about it. That was one harder level entire cunning mode. Very hard blocker stair trick was keyword in my solution, not sure is this intention, but spending few hours total, that was only one i figured out.

Very happy all 30 cunning levels are done.

Here is full playlist. All levels added order
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-Cn2MW-VOj2G3MUngM-VKVJwjhf9Hbd1


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MASTER-88

Challenge levels 1-10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3j2jQrWpOE&ab_channel=metroidmaster88
Challenge level 11-14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q6gSbnSD7A&ab_channel=metroidmaster88
Challenge levels 15-20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTAzLXyTMiM&ab_channel=metroidmaster88

1-20 levels to play oder to order. :thumbsup:

5 Challenge levels is remain yet. Levels 21, 23, 25, 27 & 29 (im not even attempt all thoses yet.

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At this point level 11 Hex was really tough level to perform, even i knew that trick, but it was extremely hard perfrom here, i ts really take a lot time beat this level and its not even very complicated

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What heck is time limit in level 15. :laugh: I barely can save 1 lemmings in 1 min 59 seconds. :D All other 9 no hope. ITs seems impossile group controlls here, very limited skills.. This level is really weird, just lookin out other routes, but no figured out it and not have even potential ideas rightnow, so i moved forward and lets look this later. BTW. COmpleted it few hours later. That idea was much easier than i thinking, just need some test orginal level Sunsoft 17 Cave Quest. That was easy figured out then.

EDIT
Level 15 completed
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That was very easy, i just overlook it, but making some test orginal level Sunsoft 17 Cave Quest i figured out it very quickly

5 Levels remain yet.:)

EDIT 2*************
1-20 levels recorded in youtube.
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3 Challenge levels are remain yet. 23, 27 & 29

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What to heck im not figured out level 23 10 bombers and 10 lost allowed. I attempt lemmings editor with 20 bombers and 11 bombs and 3 blockers is my abosolutely theory max so 14 lost :P

BTW Here is completion solutions other levels. Expect no 30, because only 6 zip is allowed post in one post.

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MASTER-88

Level 27 Challenge Hells Kitchen completed (its take quite long 3 hours around) Even with this board is very familiar for me.

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That levels was really damn hard. I have to make perfect plan and then i have to perform it. That was also very frustrating, because my time ended always right before goal line and always have to start enitre level over again, that was some masterpiece when i finally got beat it in 1:58. For sure one harder level at this point, even harder than JAILBREAK, not sure though, both are very hardcore levels and both are frustratings, because when you timed some wrong you have to start all over again

Very close to beat challenge mode. 23 & 29 are remains anymore. Okay i think i have to test orginal oh no more version level 29 first, before i start work Crane solution. IIRC this was quite hard level Oh No More Lemmings too. One harder in game.

Level 23 Stuck me so much and not have even  theory ideas completed this rightnow, maybe i figured it later. maybe not. So i cannot post perfect youtube playlist yet.

How ever there is 27 & 30 Replays.


EDIT**************************
Totally burnouted Challenge 23.
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My current best with lemmings editor 11 bombers and 1 blocker its give 78% (used 20 bombers) I simply cannot figured any better, spending several hours so i skip this level and try again if i figured some tricks. I test that level a lot, using 2 entrance and several test lemmings. This final Web take mandatory 3 bombers, so i have to make first web 6 bomber or 1 blocker 5 bombers or 2 blocker or 7 bombers without blockers, I somereason find this totally impossible. I´ll might overlook over again somethings really simple or there is some hidden weird tricks.

Some awesome finds. Chaos 21 Think Fast (Finally complted)

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Okay this trick was pretty simple. I used pretty similar my own pack, so i wanted test it here. Its seems work. This level take me overal long, but after burnouted Challenge 23 i wanted test some shorth Chaos levels again and yes happy with this, i quite quickly figured out this thing at this time


Here is Challenge youtube solutions (not contains 23)
Levels 21 & 22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTgOb07SY1s&ab_channel=metroidmaster88
Levels 24-26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDx4dP-806M&ab_channel=metroidmaster88
Levels 27 & 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V8LbhJgLlw&ab_channel=metroidmaster88

Hell Yeah Chaos 21 Think Fast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykNs7Sl1Ldk&t=19s&ab_channel=metroidmaster88

HMMM: Its might time to test Chaos 28 again. :laugh: I have some more experience than few month ago. But yeah i want to beat Challenge mode first. Only 2 levels remain 23 & 29. How ever im not are test level 29 yet, but i am hear its tough level.
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MASTER-88

HOLY GOD. I FINALLY DID IT. COMPLETED "HARDEST" LEVEL ENTIRE CRANE PACK. :thumbsup:

Chaos 28 Denial. 1:04 version. Backroutes are closed. Only way is intention

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This all take me total over 30 play hours, but without knew that advance trick i never was completed that level, so i have to back to play easier levels and learn to tricks, when i knew that trick i work on this level 6 hours+.

Here is Denial youtube solution. You might want solved it yourself. So don´t watch if you don´t are played that level yourself. I´ll say all this work was worth it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBEP97ToxDQ&ab_channel=metroidmaster88

BTW*****************************
Here is also full list Step 2 Curious 1-30 Levels in youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-Cn2MW-VOj0wMiwEabr0LxuZsQNYX9WO

Let post Denial Zip file too

BTW
I still have a lot 1:04 version Chaos levels remains. I am completed othermodes. How ever 1 level are remain Challange mode yet.

EDIT:***************************************
Thats Chaos 28 Denial was still little bit backroute. At least i am keep working on that level. 1:01 version solution take 12 hours and 1:04 version solution much longer. Let see did Crane fix this 1:05 version, but i think iam personally done with this level.

Spending total 30 game hours and several months 3 minutes level is so massive amount time. :thumbsup:
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Crane

For now I'll keep your solution to Denial as an acceptable alternative because of the timing required.  As you said yourself, it's more complicated than my intended solution.  Well done on finally completing it and it being such a milestone for you!  I guess it really stands up as being the hardest level in Lemmings Cranium!

As mentioned elsewhere, some of the earlier levels are designed to introduce new tricks that you must then apply later on with little prompt.

MASTER-88

So much thanks Crane. I´ll very thankfully. This solution was my masterwork ever. Its take me tons time, tests and its still was so hard. I have to make everythings perfect.

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Total 32 hours Denial, but when i knew this trick its still take 6-7 hours, i just spend entire night work that thing:  How i save this climber alive, that was so hard, i think Hells Kitchen and JAILBREAk both was easy levels compared Denial, still those ones was also extremely hard levels too, i later check out Kaywhyn solution Hells Kitschen, that was way different than my own. JAILBREAK is also genius level i solved it 1:04, but not pick up talisman, i have still idea how pick up it, have to work harder.

Denial is my best Neolemmings works ever. I never are played harder level myself. This level was technically all my human limit. Its take so much frustratings, brainstorms. I´ll still loved this level. Its just Test your skill did you are Master. :thumbsup:
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Crane

*nudge-nudge* Nominate "Denial" for "Level of the Year" when the time comes?!

MASTER-88

Quote*nudge-nudge* Nominate "Denial" for "Level of the Year" when the time comes?!

I´ll vote Denial level of the years. Its one most balances levesl which seperate expert players to master players. Its requires as well math and visual inteligence and perfect lemmings experience. I´ll personally call that "Mensa" level. Also awesome music choice make this level pleasant to play. How ever i personally little bit got bored that music when i listen it hours in row. :D that still one your best music choices levels like Denial.

I personally cannot called myself lemmings master players category until i beat this level. So i want make all my powers to focus all my energy with this level and solved it.

Crane pack is also my one personal favorite. Its test nearly everythings. How ever its not very noob friendly pack IMO. Even Cute mode could be quite brutal at end.

BTW I´ll also vote this "Pack of the years" :thumbsup:
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Crane

Once you finish all of the Chaos levels (am I right in thinking that Curious and Cunning are now complete?), I'll release 1.05.

MASTER-88

Yes Cute, Curious, Cunnings all complted 1:04 version. 1 Single level remain in Challenge (that is level 29) I just watch it little bit but, because it seems its will some long work level. So I´ll back it when i am more focus mode myself.

Let start look some Chaos level again. (1:01 beat many, but many new are patched) Have to check out which 1:01 replays will play 1:04 versions too.

Here will be 2 new levels. This level 7 i never are played before. Level 4 is new route. You patched my old one.

Chaos 7 Don´t bother (this is my first completion solution) im not played that 1:01 version already
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Might be backroute or not, some skill remain, but its might be intention here 2 bombers too and all saved required
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwk-p1xTWIc&ab_channel=metroidmaster88

Chaos 4 Containment
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I did new solution, my 1:01 version solution was patched, so i did another one, not sure its intention with this time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGSPf2z5HN8&ab_channel=metroidmaster88

I already show replays 1:04 version Chaos levels: 17, 19, 21, 24 & though 28.


EDIT******************************************
Chaos 11 Stone Crestbay (backroute again)

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New backroute founded. All in one goal, that was just much easier than aim each per different goal, this level might some very hard fix without one lemming goal rules
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