Level Design Contest #22 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)

[Nessy]

@Crane and @ericderkovits both of your solutions are very similar and even though they aren't the original intended solution I like the variation of it (especially since you used all the skills), so it's totally an acceptable alternate solution. Well done

@kaywhyn same thing as above and commented on the LP

[Crane]

I'm curious as to what your original intended solution is now!

[ericderkovits]

Ok, I solved Armani's Rule 3 level. Used all the skills

Replay attached.

[Armani]

@ericderkovits

Thanks for playing my level Your solution is unfortunately not quite intended but..

Spoiler

very close to intended. Actually you did everything correctly until 1min. After that your solution is different to mine.  Especially I don't want anyone to contain normal lemming for a long time until the zombie disarmer finish his job.

[ericderkovits]

ok, here is another try for version 2.  Armani's rule 3

[Armani]

ok, here is another try for version 2.  Armani's rule 3

Not much better
I will try much more aggressive approach now. I made the bottom route very unfriendly for climbers.
Hope this is enough

[kaywhyn]

@Armani Ok, I have posted my replay/video of my solution to your R3V1. I'm well aware that your R3 is currently up at V3, and so I will need to resolve your R3, but I simply wanted to show you the solution I found to your R3V1 last night, meaning the replay I attach here is the second solution I show off in the video. The solutions are identical anyway, the only difference being one skill swapped out for another. I checked, and both of the V1 replays break for V3.

Also link to the video LP:

LDC #22 LP Rule 3 Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqyWw2IItFA

Spoiler

You said on Discord that holding back the normal/neutral Millas isn't intended, which is exactly what I did, and so I knew right away that it's very likely not intended even though I have a skill leftover.

I still need to think more about your R2. At least I can still put up Part 4 of the R3 video regardless of whether R2 is solved or not. It's definitely a nailbiter. The part before the end is quite mind-boggling

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So what I think I managed to figure out is pick up the "promising last attempt" from Part 4 of the R2 video and maybe stone the clone stacker and use the shimmy jump to land on top of the stoner and then platform across to reach the midair platform. At this point, I have two jumpers, two fencers, and a cloner left and an uncollected glider which will be collected by the crowd. Is this at least in the right direction?

Certainly the biggest problem is if using the stoner, then the lemming that hits the top button above the exit has to survive. With the skills I have left described above, I can't shake the feeling that there isn't a way to save him, at least not with the skills I have remaining. The only way to possibly make him turn around is to fence and then a cancelling skill to push the button. I'm wondering if this part might be quite precise?

The other possibility is that the stoner might be a red herring, but I doubt it

@rtw I've also resolved your R1 and R3 levels. The solution to Warmth R1V2 should be intended now, and if so still a nice level and quite easy, but I'm sure my solution still isn't intended for Crazy Eights R3V2 since I don't use any of the pickup skills

[ericderkovits]

ok , resolved RTW's Warmth. I think this is a better level now.

[Armani]

@kaywhyn

Spoiler

So what I think I managed to figure out is pick up the "promising last attempt" from Part 4 of the R2 video and maybe stone the clone stacker and use the shimmy jump to land on top of the stoner and then platform across to reach the midair platform. At this point, I have two jumpers, two fencers, and a cloner left and an uncollected glider which will be collected by the crowd. Is this at least in the right direction?

What I meant with "promising last attempt" is only 'cloning the stacker' part. Stoner and shimmier need to be used in somewhere else.

Certainly the biggest problem is if using the stoner, then the lemming that hits the top button above the exit has to survive. With the skills I have left described above, I can't shake the feeling that there isn't a way to save him, at least not with the skills I have remaining. The only way to possibly make him turn around is to fence and then a cancelling skill to push the button. I'm wondering if this part might be quite precise?
The other possibility is that the stoner might be a red herring, but I doubt it

No red herring skill. Every skill need to be used. You need to save everyone except for stoner sacrifice, that's for sure. But at the same time you can't see any way to save the milla that hits the top button. So that's imply ...

Edit : added spoiler tag

[kaywhyn]

@Armani You didn't quote the spoiler thing correctly. My stuff should be hidden in spoiler tags when you quote my post There might be others who want to play your R2 and figure it out for themselves

[ericderkovits]

ok, solved Armani's Rule 3 version 3. used all skills.

[Armani]

ok, solved Armani's Rule 3 version 3. used all skills.

Spoiler

Seems like last update was not enough to prevent containing the normal lemming for a long time. Added one more trap.

[kaywhyn]

@Armani Finally solved your R2. Wow, it's a hard one, but I really like the solution. It's quite clever! Stumped me the longest out of any of the other contest levels, but I managed to figure it out without anything major spoiled. I read the hint spoilers you posted from a few days ago, and yea, I think you did fine there even though you said you're not good at giving hints

Anyway, here's my replay for your R2, as well as the link to the video LP

Video LP link:

Rule 2 Part 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5db1Lp-Csoo

I also show my solution to Icho's R2 in the video. I've attached the replay solution here in the topic last time, but I'm re-attaching it here for convenience so that you may compare if you already played and solved it (remember, I pre-tested Icho's contest levels). However, while explaining my solution, I got quite confused as to what happened at the end when no one exited even after all buttons were pushed. Upon further investigation, when I played back the video, for some very odd reason when I loaded my replay, it appears that all the exits showed up as unlocked. Not to mention the exit unlock sound didn't even play. Yet, despite being shown unlocked since the beginning of the replay, no one can exit even after the buttons were pushed.

Exiting out to the post-results screen and then entering the level again fixed it. Not sure why this happened

All rightie, with all contest levels finally solved at least once, I'm taking a break from solving these. I will be back with 1 final video each for each of the 3 contest rules where I will simply show off my solutions to the most up-to-date versions of each level, as well as the intended solutions to each of my contest levels. In the meantime, I will solve the most up-to-date version of each contest level off camera and then record the videos near the end of the playing phase

[ericderkovits]

ok, Here is another attempt at Armani's rule 3 level version 4.

[Armani]

@kaywhyn

INTENDED
You successfully figured out two tricks I had in mind and you are the first one to find the intended solution on this level.
Well done!

@ericderkovits

Better than before but still not enough