Level Design Contest #22 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)

[WillLem]

I'm surprised to hear that you haven't been able to solve my R2 yet. However, good to know that my R2 isn't overly trivial!

Well, to be fair I didn't even attempt yours because of the graphics bug. However, now that it's been fixed I did manage to get a solution together!

This may be a backroute because

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I didn't use the Shimmiers

... neat little level though!

[Crane]

@ericderkovits - I thought my solution to your R1 level was intended, but I would be careful if you plan on making it intended, because it's incredibly precise and fiddly to get right; the Basher stops prematurely more often than not.  Maybe look to making a talisman solution for it instead?

[kaywhyn]

Well, to be fair I didn't even attempt yours because of the graphics bug. However, now that it's been fixed I did manage to get a solution together!

Thanks for playing! The solution was to play it in low-res Also, you seemed to have played the old version of my R2. Your replay does not work in the latest version of the level. Unless you sent me the wrong replay, no skills get assigned at all. It sounds like you found the exact same backroute as Armani did in V1 of it. Hopefully my V2 enforces using all skills now

[WillLem]

The solution was to play it in low-res

No thanks

Updated your level and tried it again; indeed, the backroute no longer works so the fix is successful!

[ericderkovits]

@crane
Thanks for the info on my Rule 1 level. I didn't realise your solution was fiddly, because mine wasn't. I'll wait to see what Armani says about the level. If it turns out too many people say it's fiddly then I'll go back and put it back with the skillset I had. As long as it's solved this way then I'm fine with it.

[kaywhyn]

The solution was to play it in low-res

No thanks

Yes, I know how much you love your high-res

Updated your level and tried it again; indeed, the backroute no longer works so the fix is successful!

Ok, now I just need to see your new solution when you're able to solve it

[Armani]

Solved rule1 levels!

High Rise Hijinks

It took several attempts to get talisman but I got it!

Interception

I din't use any permenant skill so it might be a backroute. Nice little level though.

Come Home Lemmings

It was quite clear that I had to extend the basher to the extreme and the question was "how?"
One thing worth mentioning : The Climber drown when he climbs this wall. The triger area of the climber is always 1pixel inside the wall, so...

climber drown

The Cooler Side of Hell

That was an really nice level! the skillset seemed generous but it turned out that I was wrong. Both constructive and destructive skills ran out quickly.

Iron-Age Forge

I ended up using every skill but I'm not sure if this is intended or not.

Down The Gutter

Wow this level was very difficult. I'm quite sure that this is the hardest of all your three levels, and I think it might even be the hardest level of this contest. The most important thing was to realize that I could only use one digger and one builder for each floor and each side.(left/right).

Bubble Trouble

The level is small but it's quite hard and has several neat tricks in it! Using blocker to stop the digger when he is not on solid terrain, using backward miner to make the wall climbable and finally well-known blocker-digger turn around trick!

A Rock And A Hard Place

The levels look like it came from Lemmings Destination! I 'm afraid I backrouted it. I have several leftover skills.

Take A Hike

It was easier than "typical NieSch levels" It's still very nice one.

Warmth

I can see several possible ways to solve this level. And here's my 5-skills solution.

Climb the Water Tower

I saw the image of this level on discord before the playing phase start. I think you carve out the solution nicely. I have a miner left though.

Building Bridges

This level was quite simple and easy.

Spheres N' Cubes

Simple layout but the solution was not that simple

See You On The Other Side

Turning the worker lemming around at the top right was tricky. I wonder if there is more elegant way to do this!

And I also resolved updated levels :
All for 4 and 4 for All
Lemmings Touchdown in a Colorful World
Immotal
Drown those Zombies!
The Love-Hate Triangle

[ericderkovits]

ok wow, Intended solution is pretty much there for my Rule 1 level. No real backroutes this time, just Armani always finds a way to save skills. But i'm happy with his solution as it's 99% intended. so It seems I'll leave the level as is even if one doesn't  use all the skills, since other people may and I don't want to give Talismans since I don't like them.

[Crane]

@Armani - Nice work on the talisman - shame it's a backroute!  Updated both levels.

[Crane]

I possibly didn't fix "High Rise Hijinks" properly - oh well, I'll wait for the next batch of replays in case another backroute shows up.

[Armani]

Resolved following levels :
   High Rise Hijinks
   Immortal
   Let's Play Some Game

Hope these are better!

[Crane]

- Immortal is almost intended.  I'll just have to think about it a bit, or make a talisman out of the intended solution. *ponders*
- Your High Rise Hijinks replay runs out of time for me.

[kaywhyn]

@Armani Your solutions to both my R1 and R2 are intended!

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You did indeed get all 3 of the tricks I intended in my R1: cancelling a digger with a blocker, using a backwards miner to make a wall climbable for a climber, and turning a digger around with a blocker. Honestly I'm quite surprised to hear from everyone telling me that my R1 is hard. At the same time, there was another fix I considered using for the level, but then I felt it was going to give away the solution completely. There's also a lot of trickery here for such a small level where if you don't use the skills as intended you'll going to end up short on skills every time. So, it looks like I have indeed succeeded in making an extremely deceptive and hard level

You are correct in that your solution to my R3 is still a backroute. I have uploaded a V3 of it. Let's see if this stops your backrouting now Also hopefully it's now just as hard as my R1 or possibly even harder, as IMO my R3 is the hardest of all my contest entries.

Also I just wanted to comment on your solution to Icho's R1, as I pretested his contest entries. We have the same solution, I simply used the skills in a different order. Icho said that my solution was "95% intended." And yes, I agree with you that his R1 is hard.

Thanks again for playing my levels, Armani! I have definitely learned a lot in the process. 

[Gronkling]

@armani

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Your solution uses different specific tricks than intended, but they're about the same difficulty, performed in the same place, and achieve the same effect, whilst being impossible to fix in a nice way anyway, so I'll count it as an acceptable solution

[NieSch]

All your solutions to Take A Hike are good ones! It will be a Fun rank level in my upcoming level pack.