[NeoLemmix] Builders & Bashers ONLY! With Skillset Editing

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#15
Quote from: Proxima on November 13, 2020, 09:41:07 AM
There is one 3-skill combination that might potentially be able to solve all original levels, but it would be unbearably painful and tedious.
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Bombers, stoners, and cloners!

Imagine playing Hunt the Nessy with that challenge!!! :lem-mindblown: :scared:

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Added records for Lemminas - Sensational. Most noteworthy in this bunch is Falling Forever, which I didn't think would be possible initially due to its layout and inherent reliance on Floaters. However, it turned out to be possible with a little bit of tweaking!

Please note that I have now updated the challenge rules and the previous records so that any levels which require any other skills to pass are considered impossible for this challenge. This is due to the fact that, whilst the original levels are all possible with either Floaters or Diggers in addition to Bashers and Builders, custom packs (such as Lemminas) are far more likely to rely on new skills such as Gliders, Swimmers and Cloners, which creates more unnecessary nuance to this challenge if other skills are "allowed" purely for the sake of creating a record. Instead, the reasons for a level's impossibility will be noted, so that it's still possible to use these records to determine which skills are "essential" for solving a pack's level maps.

It should also be noted that some levels in custom packs feature pre-assigned skill hatches. It's up for debate as to whether such levels ought to be classed as "possible" for the purposes of this challenge, since they essentially do feature "use" of other skills. However, since these skills are permanent, it could be argued that these levels are "athlete" levels, and therefore not subject to the same rules as levels for regular walkers. Feel free to chip in if you have a view on this, for now I'll keep them as "possible" (if they are indeed possible to solve with only Builders & Bashers in addition to the pre-assigned skills).

WillLem

ONML - Wild results posted. Most notable here was THE SILENCE OF THE LEMMINGS, clocking in at a whopping 100 skills (52 Builders, 48 Bashers) and only just making the time limit!

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Lemminas - Tricksy and ONML - Wicked results posted!

Quite a few impossible ones this time, and some gems as well, including my favourite levels of the challenge so far!

WillLem

Lemminas - Pandemonium results posted. Another load of impossible ones (including level 15, ironically!), with level 10 I'll Just Wait Here, Shall I? being a particularly disappointing "impossible" level due to having quite an interesting solution - it is possible to create a safe passage for the lems with just Builders & Bashers, but a Cloner is required to meet the save requirement, which is the only thing making it impossible.

I'll likely come back and do the "requires Cloners" levels again at some point; it might be worth doing a separate post just for these levels. Those requiring Diggers, Floaters, Gliders or Stackers are that bit more definitive in their impossibility, due to requiring a skill which affects terrain and/or lemming movement rather than just a cloned lemming to meet the save requirement.

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Pandemonium 8 - Staircase To Nowhere III, clocking in at a colossal 173 Builders and 52 Bashers!!!!!!! :lem-mindblown:

Almost certainly improvable :lemcat:

WillLem

#22
Bonus - Lemminas "Requires Cloners" Levels

For the purposes of this challenge, I've decided to change the save requirement for levels requiring Cloners to 100% (instead of more than 100%, which is the only thing making it "impossible" to complete the levels with Builders & Bashers).

Probably the most interesting of these, solution-wise, is Pandemonium 10, which doesn't seem possible at first, but makes full use of the terrain to delay the worker and create a safe passage for the crowd.


Rank#LevelBuildersBashersTotal
Magical7Lemminas Luv M.C. Escher21340/40 Saved
Sensational1Worra Lorra Lemminas022300/300 Saved
Sensational10The Strange Boutique0001/1 Saved (Becomes a Self-Solve)
Tricksy7Easy Peasy Lemmina Squeezy941316/16 Saved
Pandemonium1Lemmina City Steel Facility21930100/100 Saved
Pandemonium10I'll Just Wait Here, Shall I?28836300/300 Saved

WillLem

#23
GeoffLems

Please note that the following records have yet to be completed:
Levels in blue are of particular interest - replays provided

N.B. Results shown are for Maximum Possible Saved (100% unless noted).

Contributors: WillLem

Fun

Group#LevelBuildersBashersTotal
Fun1How Do I Lemming?NANANAImpossible: requires Diggers
Fun2Little Umbrellas9514
Fun3Drumsticks246
Fun4The Bricklayer's Guild516
Fun5The Crystal Ship358
Fun6Subterraneans044
Fun7Promenade437
Fun8Lemming Fun Club538
Fun9Means To An End044
Fun10Over Fire IslandNANANAImpossible - requires Diggers & Floaters
Fun11QuadropheniaNANANAImpossible - requires Diggers
Fun12Up The Fire Escape...707
Fun13Mind The Gap235
Fun14Heure De Pointe459
Fun15The Scrap YardNANANAImpossible - requires Diggers
Fun16Roadhouse Blues13215
Fun17Post-LemmingismNANANAImpossible - requires Diggers
Fun18Lemmixology7613
Fun19Spider & I459
Fun20Tread CarefullyNANANAImpossible - requires Diggers
Fun21Mezzanine4812
Fun22Sky Archipelago14418
Fun23Who Designed This Level??NANANAImpossible - requires Floaters
Fun24Little Cream Soda1792679/80 Saved
Fun25They Can't All Be Zingers707
Fun26Arrows Make Every Level Cooler20323
Fun27Dr. Lemmingstone, I Presume?15217
Fun28Lemmings Terrain ParkNANANAImpossible - requires Diggers
Fun29Guided TourNANANAImpossible - requires Floaters
Fun30Meet In The Middle325

Tricky

Group#LevelBuildersBashersTotal
Tricky1Lemming Colony2293139/40 Saved
Tricky2Come Out To Play, Lemmings!7512
Tricky3Kindercare6410
Tricky4The BelltowerNANANASame as Fun 20
Tricky5Lemming Yacht Club463076
Tricky6RenovationsNANANAImpossible - requires Diggers
Tricky7Mining Workforce In DeclineNANANASame as Fun 15
Tricky8Obstacle235Same as Fun 13
Tricky9Short Controlled Bursts246Same as Fun 3
Tricky10Break On Through?224
Tricky11Caravan10313
Tricky12House Of Pancakes13518
Tricky13Trick Wire459Same as Fun 14
Tricky14Summer's WaltzNANANAImpossible - requires Floaters
Tricky15The First Day Of The Revolution8513
Tricky16No Lemming Left Behind9514Same as Fun 2
Tricky17Watch For Falling Rocks459
Tricky18Fort Lemmington1271949/50 Saved
Tricky19Wire CuttersNANANAImpossible - requires Floaters
Tricky20MEANWHILE in Canada516
Tricky21Everybody Builds426
Tricky22One Step Ahead516Same as Fun 4
Tricky23EnclosureNANANASame as Fun 28
Tricky24The Miliau Viaduct358Same as Fun 5
Tricky25The Yungas Road14418Same as Fun 22
Tricky26Lemmings: 1, Man: 08412
Tricky27Hot Chip808
Tricky28Proposed Keystone Pipeline7613Same as Fun 18
Tricky29The Buddy System358
Tricky30Oven-Friendly Lemmings13316

Taxing

Group#LevelBuildersBashersTotal
Taxing1The Pit And The Pendulum20525
Taxing2PlanksNANANASame as Tricky 6
Taxing3Close Shave Mr. KennedyNANANAImpossible: requires Diggers
Taxing4Lunchbox Special6410Same as Tricky 3
Taxing5Smuggler's Run044Same as Fun 6
Taxing6Containment22931Same as Tricky 1
Taxing7MondrianNANANASame as Fun 17
Taxing8Magic BusNANANAImpossible: requires Floaters
Taxing9Donut Level11718
Taxing10Tiny TownNANANAImpossible: requires Diggers
Taxing11Southern Cross639
Taxing12Ice Storm '98101020Possibly Improvable
Taxing13The Fissure527
Taxing14Bad Cover Level20323Same as Fun 26
Taxing15Mutiny On The Bounty463076Same as Tricky 5
Taxing16Timing6410
Taxing17Lemmington Abbey808
Taxing18Tank!10111
Taxing19Desperados707Same as Fun 12
Taxing20Just A Minute: Stereo RemixNANANASame as Fun 11
Taxing21Gibbets271441
Taxing22Commuters437
Taxing23Chords71017
Taxing24Up We Go13215Same as Fun 16
Taxing25Wierd MoonNANANASame as Fun 23
Taxing26The Hut Of Baba Yaga235
Taxing27Take Five!14519
Taxing28Swiss Cheese10414
Taxing29Hangar BNANANAImpossible: requires Floaters
Taxing30Tabula RasaNANANASame as Fun 1

Mayhem

Group#LevelBuildersBashersTotal
Mayhem1Safety First10313Same as Tricky 11
Mayhem2SwitchbacksNANANASame as Fun 29
Mayhem3Topsy TurvyNANANAImpossible: requires Floaters
Mayhem4Pipe Room15621
Mayhem5The Long Beam302252
Mayhem6Knots15217Same as Fun 27
Mayhem7Time For Plan C151328
Mayhem8Four Houses1982739/40 Saved
Mayhem9In A Glass House8311
Mayhem10T-Rex336
Mayhem11Lemming In Zest533487
Mayhem12Think Fast!707Same as Fun 12
Mayhem13The Garden17926Same as Fun 24
Mayhem14Advanced Compression Method13518Same as Tricky 12
Mayhem15Gluten-Free Organic LemmingsNANANASame as Tricky 14
Mayhem16Logistics4812Same as Fun 21
Mayhem17The Plateau437Same as Fun 7
Mayhem18Now This Is A Predicament...NANANAImpossible: requires Floaters
Mayhem19Fairweather Lemmings415
Mayhem20Panic At The Disco538Same as Fun 8
Mayhem21Lemmings In The Radiator448
Mayhem22Grey Matter3811
Mayhem23Speed King13215
Mayhem24Pyramid Scheme044
Mayhem25Main Floor, Please10212
Mayhem26Parking Garage5914
Mayhem27BreakageNANANAImpossible: requires Diggers
Mayhem28Dazed And ConfusedNANANAImpossible: requires Floaters
Mayhem29A Wing And A Prayer13417
Mayhem30One More Red Nightmare21627

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WillLem

ONML - Havoc results updated, plus some new replays from Proxima 8-)

Also uploaded initial results for GeoffLems - Fun, I'm sure some of these may be improvable!


WillLem

It turns out that Tricksy 5 Lemmina Drops is possible! Results updated :lemcat:

WillLem

Results for GeoffLems - Taxing posted, as well as replays for particularly interesting levels from Tricky and Taxing.

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