Conversion of Lemmini Mobillems V6 to Superlemmini

[ericderkovits]

Now I'm doing the Conversion of Mobius' V6 Mobilems from Lemmini to Superlemmini. I know this isn't a popular pack, but it least it is another choice for a pack to be for Superlemmini.
Not a lot of packs out there for Superlemmini so I figure I would do another. Plus I enjoy the conversions.
Already can tell exits and traps need adjustments just by playing the first several levels.
Also Icho has solutions for this pack on Youtube. Icho has almost every pack out there it seems. Except for United which he has only for the 1st rank. But even that he needs to Update as there were
backroute fixes since then.

[kaywhyn]

AFAIK, there shouldn't be any problems regarding physics on any of the levels. Of course, as usual due to unusual quirks and behaviors (eg, climbers being able to climb past thin enough ceilings when they shouldn't) that you found from converting Reunion and Pimolems, there might be some surprises here too. It's been a really long time since I played the pack, so I don't remember too many of the levels. From what I remember, it's an excellent pack. Also, mobius is not maintaining this pack anymore for the Lemmini version, at least in terms of backroute fixes, and so keep in mind that any solution you find for the levels will be fine and that the Youtube solution will likely be one of many, and so just solve the levels in any way you want. Thus, the conversion will probably be really fast. Besides, it's much more fun solving levels on your own before viewing replays/solutions. It's how you get better at level solving anyway. Not to mention the difficulty of the pack is pretty much at about where Sublems is, so should be the perfect difficulty for you, and it's likely I won't even need to send any replays for any of the levels to you. However, I will help out to provide them wherever you're missing them when I get around to those other packs, of course. There probably will be no need to make notes for any of the levels for each difficulty, unless you want to, of course. I do know that it helps to keep you organized, so you should do whatever will help you remember important things. I do say that I get a kick out of reading your notes about each level, but you're not under any obligation to do so just because I like reading your input.

[ericderkovits]

yes it seems so far to start off I don't need youtube as I've been solving the levels on my own.

[kaywhyn]

...I've been solving the levels on my own.

Wonderful! Just reading that from you is what I like to see. You'll certainly get through much faster this way, as you're then not waiting on people to finish. As is with many of us, you included I'm sure, we all have lives outside of Lemmings, and so depending on our schedules we might only be able to play just a little or not even at all on some days. People will solve by their own pace as they desire. In the same way, take as long as you need to before releasing the converted product. No rush at all. Also, you'll become much better at level solving this way. Just keep in mind that it's ok for your solution to be different. You solving Hellish 19 on your own certainly shows that you do indeed have solving potential. Also, many of us here are playing levels for our own enjoyment and not playing them just to provide people replays. I'm quite certain that you won't even need to see any solutions for Mobilems, maybe except for a couple of Heinous levels. Even then, those levels aren't too difficult, and they're the farthest from the start of the pack, so it'll take some time before you get to them.

[ericderkovits]

Hey There's the Tetris song in level 16 of 1st rank. I really enjoy that one, especially from Lemtrix version X of Reunion

[kaywhyn]

Yea, you're right. It makes sense when you compare the levelpack.ini for both packs. You'll see that the track name listed for both levels is 2etetris.mod. For some reason I never made that connection. To be fair, I did say it has been a really long time since I played Mobilems, and a huge amount of time had passed before I even got to Nightmare 29 of Reunion, so it was certain that I would had forgotten some of the tracks that played on some levels. Most of the time, I tend to be more focused on solving the level and so I sometimes don't even pay attention to the music playing. It is a pretty popular track, and I too also like it. Some of the other levels in the pack also have Reunion music, but most of the music will be different from the other packs you already converted.

[ericderkovits]

ok Rank 1 Friendly is finished. Saved replays. Had to adjust many exits and traps.  Also I solved this rank without any Youtube videos. ok, Next rank is Flapdoodle

[kaywhyn]

Also I solved this rank without any Youtube videos.

Way to go! Patience is key, and remember to believe in yourself and your ability to solve. These will help go a long way in being able to solve on your own

Good luck with the remaining ranks.

[ericderkovits]

ok, Now the climber issue has finally appeared in Flapdoodle level 16 Deep Undercover, I solved it using a climber to get over the small cross, signs, and well to get him to gap near water,
but i remembered climbers are not supposed to climb there so I had to see regular lemmini to see if a climber can climb there and no they can't. So I had to solve a different way which turned out
to be how Icho solved it on his youtube channel(i didn't peek first). So now what I had to do to prevent the climber issue was double stack the crosses, signs and well so the climber won't get by.
This is a backroute fix (only in Superlemmini). I would like Tsyu to address this issue too since climbers are doing things they are not supposed to be doing.

[kaywhyn]

Yea, you're right. In Flapdoodle 16, a climber goes over all those crosses and well when it's not supposed to. As a result, it makes the level much easier than intended (send a climber over, build over the gap two times, then bash high enough so that it cuts through the diagonal slope). The climber issues definitely need to be fixed, so I'm in agreement here. I can definitely see that the converting the packs to Superlemmini would had been way less annoying if they weren't happening. Come to think of it, I wonder if the issues were always present even in past versions. Now I kind of wished that older versions of the engine were available so that we can test. Or, we can ask Tsyu to test it himself if he has them available.

[ericderkovits]

ok, Flapdoodle Rank is done. I'd say maybe the last 5 or 6 levels in this rank were a little tricky. But nothing too difficult . Anyways on to the next rank Brouhaha.

[kaywhyn]

You're on a roll, eric Pretty soon, I can start assisting you with providing you replays of level packs you're missing. That's because I finally made it to the very final level of United. You're probably very amazed at my determination for taking on possibly the hardest level pack there is and making it to the very end and being able to blast through the levels which you have admitted are way beyond your ability. Believe me, I'm still in complete shock myself for making it to the end of the pack.

[ericderkovits]

yes United is a pack for a Madman, I forget who posted that. But I'd agree with that. Just by watching replays of the levels in United, I can't even comprehend the things that must be done to solve the levels. Maybe the 1st rank I can see it being possible with some thought, but beyond the 1st rank, there is just too many levels that just are too difficult. One reason is Icho uses so many tricks and alot of his levels are huge. Plus the fact that even when you thought you solved the level, he ends up making an update to correct backroutes, making it even more
frustrating to have to resolve a level over. Also I think you said you will be glad the pack will be finished so you can move on to other packs that are less stressful.


I would never even attempt that pack since its like you said way beyond my ability. But I do enjoy watching replays of United, especially since the levels are wonderfully graphically designed and
have awesome music.

anyways today I finished turning green Namidas Omega 1 pack. tomorrow(actually later today will be his Omega 2)

Anyways no other climber issues have appeared in the pack except that one level 16 in Flapdoodle. Hopefully it will go quicker than Reunion or Pimolems since there were quite alot more issues
in those 2 packs. I can't recall any climber issues in the Conversion of Dovelems.

[kaywhyn]

yes United is a pack for a Madman, I forget who posted that. But I'd agree with that.

That would be the newcomer uber who said that on the NL Dovelems topic. Also, the next time you reply and click on "quote" for the post you want to quote, you can see how to correctly quote someone in your post. You will see the

brackets in the box where you type your reply. Anything that appears between those brackets is what will be quoted. As for the name of the person who quoted it, you can either leave it in or just take it all out and just leave the two quote brackets. I just noticed that you were still trying to get used to the features of posting here and did the quote thing incorrectly in the Superlemmini solving contest thread.

[ericderkovits]

ok another level with the climber issue, although it doesn't play a part in the solution at all. The level is Brouhaha level 10 The Midas Touch. A climber is not supposed to climb left over pillar left of
left hatch(I checked regular lemmini to see if a climber could climb there and no he can't). And in Icho's video on this level there's no way to tell since the solution doesn''t involve a climber going left
from left hatch.) So what I did is just put a small slope near the left pillar blocking a climber from climbing left at left hatch.