conversion of Icholotots lemmini Lemmings reunion into Superlemmini

[kaywhyn]

See replay for Nightmare 9. This isn't the solution I first came up with when I first solved it in Lemmini, but this one works in the NL version as well. In any case, both of my solutions avoided the right half of the level completely. However, in NL one needs to use a builder in the first digger pit since a lemming still climbs out to the left. This solution allows a faster completion time, as well as have a few spare builders in the end. IMO, this solution is a little easier than the intended route. I wonder if Icho wants to block this or let it slide.

[ericderkovits]

hi Kaywhn I managed to do this as well both in neolemmix and my Superlemmini where the right side isn't even used but mine doesn't even use a climber at all. I had 3 builders and a climber left over and 12 seconds left over. I have the replay I'm sending to neolemmix reunion board to see what Icho says.
and since I copied the neolemmix version in my Superlemmini, the level will be bacrouted too.in my Superlemmini. Oh well, I think Icho should dump this level as he mentioned in his Youtube channel the was a very problematic level.

here is my replay for neolemmix Nightmare 9 Pipe Grid puzzle (no cliimber used). I repeated this replay in Superlemmini too. So if you play my Superlemmini
you will be able to backroute it


Also I guess this is why United always comes out with opdates also, you always manage to find backroutes

[kaywhyn]

hey eric, I saw your NL solution. See my post in the Reunion topic to clarify the misunderstanding, as I too don't use the climber, just a builder so the lemming that can slip out to the left gets contained in the digger pit.

Also I guess this is why United always comes out with opdates also, you always manage to find backroutes

From my understanding, Armani is the only person so far who has completed the entire United pack completely to Icho's satisfaction. Thus, this would mean I'm the second person to test out the later ranks, which are way more problematic in terms of backroutes. Somehow, these backroutes remain and were missed. It makes me wonder whether Armani simply sent in solutions that he thinks are intended rather than other possible solutions as well. As for me, I'm simply sending in the first solution I found and not bothering with other possible solutions. That's why I'm quite surprised that backroutes still remain, because I thought all of them have been fixed because Armani was first to finish the pack.

Finally, something that I take great issue with, and that is I'm noticing that you are constantly misspelling my user name. Please get it right. It's kaywhyn. Not kaywhn (most common misspelling I'm seeing from you), kaywhen (this one I noticed in your Reunion post), or anything else. The correct one is the first one.

[kaywhyn]

Fun trivia fact about Nightmare 16: Another Brick in the Wall. Out of all the levels in the Reunion pack, this one had me stuck the longest. No joke, I was stuck on this level for 3 weeks. Turns out I failed to spot the ever so crucial digger placement at the very beginning of the level with the left-most entrance. I had all of the level solved except for the digger part. And yes, I was able to save 97, one more than the actual requirement on Lemmini. Not a super hard level, just I couldn't figure out the actual purpose of the digger for a couple of weeks. When I finally did spot it, I was in disbelief of how I never ever saw it earlier. I was nearly tempted to peek at namida's solution on Youtube that time, but I resisted and was able to solve the level without consulting a video walkthrough.

[kaywhyn]

Alternatively, instead of doing what you did at the very end of Nightmare 25, you could do this which is much easier and completely eliminates the timing. Interrupt the basher midstroke with a builder, but make sure that the land isn't destroyed so that the lemmings can still get up the slope to the exit. Then just block with the first lemming that gets past the wall.

edit: see replay. This won't work in Superlemmini, as the lemming that was close to the blocker will go past, and so to get this to work you would need to work out the timing of the crowd.

[ericderkovits]

I have your version as a 2nd replay and it did work. and yes there can't be any other lemmings near there. but even in my replay I had it timed so no other lemmings were there,and I just altered my replay and changed it to that at the very end. So now I have Icho's intended version and your's as a replay.

[kaywhyn]

Yea, I didn't feel like solving this level again, and so my replay is Icho's, I simply modified the end part of his solution. I was going to suggest to you to simply use your Superlemmini replay solution and just modify the end part like I did with Icho's at the end, but it looks like you did that anyway. It's easier because you avoid the whole thing of having to place a blocker on the builder staircase. It's fine in Lemmini, as lemmings can be very close but will always turn around when a blocker is placed (thus, the pass through blocker, i.e, turn a lemming into a blocker immediately from an entrance and lemmings can still go through the blocker, doesn't work in Lemmini). However, it works in Superlemmini, just like NL, and so when blocking the lemmings need to be a bit further apart in order to bounce off and turn around on one.