[NeoLemmix] SubLems

[kaywhyn]

Keep trying. It does work. It's difficult because there's a lot of precision involved, at least for me there was. Try adjusting the digger positions and minimizing the number of builders used to seal the gaps in each direction. This was why several of my early attempts, I kept saying, "If I had just one more builder I would had had it." However, the level is 100% possible with the skillset given.

[Colorful Arty]

The level in question is not that precise at all. If you're struggling with making it precise enough, you're probably doing it wrong. That said, I will move this higher up in the rank after hearing this feedback.

[kaywhyn]

You're right, of course. It was pretty much self-inflicted then, although it definitely seemed and felt like there was a lot of precision, but there is a few pixels leeway. I'm not seriously playing the pack atm, just helping Shmolem with levels he's stuck on, so you should wait for further feedback from him. It might be a while before I may play this pack for Neolemmix, since I have already beaten this pack on Superlemmini quite a while back. Chaotic 12 does seem to be a level that wasn't originally in the pack in Superlemmini, as it didn't seem familiar to me when I loaded the level.

[Shmoley]

I'm getting to the point of one more builder would've had it and I'm trying so many different angles and starting points and what-not but every time I end up back at a point where if I had one more builder I would've got it. Why game Why?

[Proxima]

Yes, I have to say I think kaywhyn gave you some bad advice here.

Spoiler

Try going up the middle!

[kaywhyn]

Yes, I have to say I think kaywhyn gave you some bad advice here.

I wouldn't consider any solution that works to be bad advice. Rather, the left route was the first one I thought up of and apparently has almost too much precision in order to work, but it does work, so I self-inflicted the precision on myself. I've been known to overcomplicate my solutions while others have found much easier ways to do the same level or vice versa. I just looked at the map again and indeed it never occurred to me to try the position you mentioned in the spoiler. I haven't tried it yet, but certainly seems a lot easier to pull off. Again, I'm not seriously playing the pack atm, and so I'm not really spending much time on any of the levels, whether it's one I've seen before or not. This level that's giving Shmolem trouble is one that wasn't originally part of the pack in Superlemmini, and so this is the first time I'm seeing the level. It's also been a few years since I've beaten the pack, but I beat it on Superlemmini, not Neolemmix. It's probably going to be a long time, if ever, before I take on the Neolemmix version of the pack for real.

[Shmoley]

I did it! Literally on the first try doing the middle thing! Next level now..

[kaywhyn]

I did it! Literally on the first try doing the middle thing! Next level now..

Great job, Shmolem!

[Shmoley]

Chaotic 13 is definitely interesting.

Spoiler

No constructive skills, a big maze thing in the middle, and a whole lot of diggers.

[kaywhyn]

Indeed, these levels without constructive skills tend to be quite interesting imo. The fact that it's impossible to get higher without them means you either to have to rely on climbers or the terrain or miners in order to get up. This is yet another level I haven't seen before, because this too wasn't originally part of the pack in Superlemmini, which I first played the pack in. However, this level is much easier.

Spoiler

I have two diggers leftover.

[Shmoley]

Spoiler

For me there always seems to be a few stragglers that won't go into the exit in time before the basher breaks the floor underneath the exit

[kaywhyn]

That was what I originally tried as well, but it won't work. So,

Spoiler

Do not let any lemmings fall down the middle to the bottom from either side. Can you find a way to prevent that?

[Shmoley]

I think I know what your saying! I'll try it right now. Edit: Yep! I got it. Edit 2: Solved Chaotic 14 as well, here's the replay if you're curious to see my solution.

[kaywhyn]

Nice job. I knew you could do it. I think what you're seeing is Chaotic definitely living up to its name. Don't worry. It's quite common to breeze through the first few ranks with little to no problems, but then all of a sudden you start getting stumped starting with the 3rd or 4th rank. It happens to me all the time, so it's not like I'm someone who doesn't ever get stuck on a level. If you take a look at https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4894.0, which organizes the packs I have completed, currently playing, and ones I'm thinking of playing, sure, it tells you that I have completed 50 packs, but what it doesn't tell you is how long I've been stuck on some of the packs in order to get to 50 packs completed. Before making the switch over to Neolemmix from Lemmini and Superlemmini and before beating Lemmings Reunion on Lemmini, I say the hardest pack I've completed was Pimolems. Once I've made the switch to Neolemmix, so far I say the hardest I've completed is Lemmings Stampede. I'm currently playing through two packs much harder than anything I've completed, United and Nepsterlems. Right now, I'm about halfway through both packs, but I'm still really far from completing them.

So really, I definitely think you have what it takes to solve levels. Perhaps Chaotic is where you really have to start thinking outside the box. That's a nice solution to Chaotic 14. However, it's definitely more complicated than how I did this level.

Spoiler

I simply dug and bashed underneath both pillars at the top and then built to stop the basher. Where you mined to the left, I did the opposite, once I bashed enough away to get all the groups out to the right. The other groups I digged and bombed in between to get the groups out. With the leftmost group I bashed to the right.

[Shmoley]

AND I solved Chaotic 15! I think I can make it through this pack but it might take me a bit. To be honest I'm usually one to make things more complex than they have to be.