[NeoLemmix] SubLems

kaywhyn · August 24, 2020, 10:48:20 PM

Hey Shmolem, I just took a look at Hellish 11. I don't think I have seen this level before, as it wasn't part of the pack in Superlemmini. It's a difficult level, but I can assure you that the level is solvable within the 2 minute time limit. As a matter of fact, I found two solutions. One leaves me with a lot of time remaining, while the other one leaves me with about 5 seconds left without nuking in the end. I can't imagine what solution you're doing that causes you to run out of time. Perhaps you can enlighten me.

Shmoley · August 25, 2020, 01:14:56 AM

I not sure if I could type out the whole thing step by step but I'm working on it and now I'm like one second off from beating the level so I'm getting somewhere!

Shmoley · August 26, 2020, 10:46:56 PM

It's official. I can't get past Hellish 11! The one solution I've found is literally a second off on the timer. And as far as I can tell I can't do anything in that solution any faster. So I'm gonna have to think of another one.

kaywhyn · August 26, 2020, 11:39:51 PM

I still wish I knew what you're doing that's running out of time. In any case, I already said that I found two solutions, both of which solve the level within the two minute time limit, although one leaves about 5 seconds remaining without nuking.

ericderkovits · August 27, 2020, 12:12:36 AM

hey shmolem, You can post a replay even of an attempted one in NL. This way Kaywhyn can see what your doing. Even attempted ones that fail can be saved. Kaywhyn does this sometimes
with his attempted ones in United to show Ichotolot his trys.

This way Kaywhyn can help you get past the level so you can continue on and not be stuck on this one forever.

kaywhyn · August 27, 2020, 12:38:43 AM

To save a replay, just press U at any time while you're still in the level. This is different from replays that are saved automatically when you are successful in passing a level. For this one, you have to make sure that is enabled via settings in the main menu. I presume that you do have that enabled, since replays through that are saved by the rank followed by the level number in the name. Replays via the U key are saved in the exact same naming format, although the location where these are saved are different. Instead of being inside the Auto folder (these are the ones that are automatically saved when you pass a level) that is inside the level pack's name, these replays are simply saved inside the level pack's folder. In any case, you get to the replays by going into the replay folder, followed by the level pack's folder.

Shmoley · August 27, 2020, 03:00:05 AM

Here we go, the failed attempt.

kaywhyn · August 27, 2020, 03:38:39 AM

Ok, I saw your replay and it fails by about 3-4 seconds. This is interesting, as that was not the first thing I thought up of. I know you also mentioned that you had one that failed by about a second, and I'm guessing that one was more or less the same as the replay you attached with the positioning of the skills altered a bit. Once you read the hint, you should be able to totally solve it now.

Hint for Hellish 11

If the bottom route takes too long, then it should be clear that you must take the ...

Shmoley · August 27, 2020, 06:23:32 AM

OMG I DID BY GOD I DID IT.. So next is Labyrinth of Lucifer. I've took one look at it's a bit confusing to look at.

Shmoley · August 28, 2020, 06:27:31 AM

More replays coming at ya. Very proud of the Hellish 12 solve!

kaywhyn · August 28, 2020, 07:27:36 AM

Just like that, you're in the home stretch and down to the final 5 levels of the pack. If I'm not mistaken, the level you're currently on was the one that stumped me the longest out of all the other levels in the pack. If it's not 16, for sure it's the next one, 17. Indeed, despite being a 1 of everything level AND a 1 minute level, Tricky Quicky is very aptly named! Similar to It's Hero Time from the original lemmings, 1 of everything AND also 1 minute.

If it is 16, this all reminds me of the situation I was in about 2 weeks ago: down to the final 5 levels of the main part of United, with the first one of the bunch supposedly the hardest level of the entire pack. I ended up solving it earlier in the week, and TBT I didn't think it was THAT hard. Then again, I do have a skill leftover and so it might be a backroute. Now, almost a year after I first started playing the pack, I'm on the final level of the main pack (I still have the Bonus rank to do). I have yet to make any serious attempts at it, but let's see how long it will stump me.

Let's motivate one another to finish the pack we're currently playing through. You can do this! Besides Tricky Quicky, once I got past that, unless the Superlemmini levels got replaced with new levels for the NL version, I recall the remaining levels weren't super difficult.

Shmoley · August 28, 2020, 07:45:40 AM

I'm sure you can beat the final level of United! It's an extremely hard pack from what I've seen.. But you can't give up. You're on the FINAL LEVEL! for crying out loud! And well.. I'll be making attempts for sure at my level. It's late where I live though so I'll be saving that for tomorrow.

kaywhyn · August 28, 2020, 09:03:49 AM

Nice nice haha

Good luck to you as well. I know you can do it too

ericderkovits · August 28, 2020, 10:07:31 AM

here Is the retro rank I converted to neolemmix from Superlemmini using the 1.43 editor

just extract this to your sublems main NL directory

I also included the music that was with Superlemmini's version

after finishing your main ranks, go ahead and do these retro ones (NOTE: retro 20 used a glitch that is no longer used in Superlemmini or NL, so I made up one myself.)

kaywhyn · August 28, 2020, 01:52:00 PM

Some background on the Retro rank. When the pack was originally made for Superlemmini, this was the rank that followed the Hellish rank. The rank takes 20 levels from either the original Lemmings or ONML games and modifies the skillset (the terrain is completely unchanged) in some way to create supposedly harder versions of the levels so that an entirely new solution of the level that isn't possible with the original skillset in the original games is now possible. I think you said that you haven't finished any pack or the original games (I might be wrong about the latter), so some of them you might recognize, if not all of them. Needless to say, if one is already very familiar with the original games and has solved the levels from them, the rank will be very easy despite being harder versions of the levels. Of course, solving the original level version from the original games first isn't necessary to take on the Retro rank, just that the rank might be a bit harder as a result. Regarding Retro 20, the original version used a glitch in Superlemmini that no longer works as of v1.04a of the engine, and so eric came up with his own version of the level so that it's now possible in both Superlemmini and NL without the glitch.

According to a comment for the Sublems pack in the Superlemmini board, Arty supposedly had an Impossible rank planned for the pack, but ultimately decided to not include the rank and to end the pack with the Retro rank. Even if there truly were levels that might had looked "impossible" (either because they're not supposed to be solvable or they are, just that they look "impossible") in some way so that even lemmings enthusiasts like myself wouldn't be able to solve them, I myself would had loved to see the Impossible rank.