Building into a builder bridge to turn the lem around

[WillLem]

I'm editing the OP because I've since had the mechanics explained to me, so I think it best for this post to exist as a demonstration:

Situation 1: Lemming A builds, Lemming B builds immediately behind lemming A's bridge:

RESULT: Lemming B does not turn, and simply builds a bridge immediately behind Lemming A's bridge.

Situation 2: Lemmings A builds, Lemming B builds directly on top of Lemming A's bridge, creating a 2px "wall" at the start of the build structure. Lemming C builds into that structure:

RESULT: Lemming C builds 1 brick, then turns.

Situation 3: At the correct release rate, Lemming A builds, Lemming B walks over Lemming A's bridge and immediately begins building as soon as he steps off the bridge:

RESULT: Lemming B builds 1 brick, then his terrain check is activated by Lemming A's bridge (still being built behind and above him), so he turns.

[Strato Incendus]

Do you mean the trick where you dig into the Builder bridge?

This one goes like this:

- build a couple of steps
- wait till the Builder lays down a brick, but then dig before he steps up onto that same brick
- now a 1-pixel-remnant of the staircase remains on the side in which the Builder is looking
- build against that 1-pixel staircase remnant to turn the lemming around

As it happens, just yesterday I thought of the fact that I need to update the pre-level text of my Lemmings-World-Tour level that is supposed to teach this trick to the player (Noisemaker 08, "Glide and joy"). So far, the pre-level text is supposed to set them up to discover it for themselves, i.e. give enough of a hint without spoiling it. But I've been thinking for a while now that it was too obscure of a hint, especially given it's just the 8th level of the entire pack, which I most certainly don't want to be an early roadblock.

[WillLem]

Do you mean the trick where you dig into the Builder bridge?

Yes, this would work!

I found the thing I was thinking of anyways. Proxima used the trick as part of his solution to my Lemmings Recurring version of One Way Digging To Freedom, I managed to find the replay he sent.

His variation involved bashing into the bridge to create a large enough dent in it that could then be built into in order to turn the lem around. Similar idea tho.

I think I was misremembering it as the 2nd builder simply building into an existing bridge, but no: the part of the bridge that's being built into needs to be at least 2px higher than the lem's foot position.

[Proxima]

On DOS Lemmings you can do it by setting the RR to 87, but I don't think the trick works in NeoLemmix.

[Simon]

Restored the deleted thread because other people have posted.

To retract stuff in the original post, you can use the strikethrough formatting. (You can't delete entire first posts without deleting the thread.)

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

On DOS Lemmings you can do it by setting the RR to 87, but I don't think the trick works in NeoLemmix.

It should still work with an NeoLemmix-equivalent release rate.   Maybe I misunderstand the specific trick you're referring to.

Anyway, I replied back with some details about builder-turning-builder on this other thread.

[Proxima]

It does work in NeoLemmix (equivalent RR is 93). I have no idea why I thought it didn't before. (Replay recorded on Fun 7.)

[Strato Incendus]

I think I was misremembering it as the 2nd builder simply building into an existing bridge, but no: the part of the bridge that's being built into needs to be at least 2px higher than the lem's foot position.

Yes, there is also a trick involving two Builders, the second one steps over the first two steps of the first one, and then builds against the staircase of the first one from below.

This works best if the staircase is literally still in its early steps. But it definitely only works while the staircase of the first Builder is still in-creation, because the first Builder still needs to put one brick above and slightly in front of the position where the second lemming falls from that first bridge - since that's the earliest spot where the second lemming can start building, with the goal of bumping his head on the first Builder's staircase above him.

[WillLem]

It does work in NeoLemmix (equivalent RR is 93)

Yes, there is also a trick involving two Builders, the second one steps over the first two steps of the first one, and then builds against the staircase of the first one from below.

Proxima demonstrates that trick in his RR 93 replay. It's the same trick that's used for Mary Poppins' Land 100%.

P.S. I've now edited the OP so that this thread exists as a demonstration of the mechanic.