Lemmings SNES all levels max pointed (videos up) Update 6.10.2024.

[AsahiNyan]

my original tas was 24S maybe that would be possible on console, i basicly wasted a few skills somewhere where you could use them on console to make it easier

[MASTER-88]

my original tas was 24S maybe that would be possible on console, i basicly wasted a few skills somewhere where you could use them on console to make it easier

Many your records could be quite impossible make on console. Even those short levels like 4-5 skills contains some really hard inputs. I cannot even imagine make those same inputs double times.

Very nice job. I have a lot trouble make those Mayhem 20 & Sunsoft Special 1 on console. There is only few super hard inputs you have to make.

[AsahiNyan]

maybe i'll attempt some RTA 21-24S, i just think it has to be possible, with some extra skill usage to make it easier

[MASTER-88]

maybe i'll attempt some RTA 21-24S, i just think it has to be possible, with some extra skill usage to make it easier

Good Luck. Is there anymore max pointed better. I think i make good stanard. We are playued that gam 30 years. Still new finds. I´ll follow your channel.

[AsahiNyan]

well, M2 is still a potential to save skills, i may try it again but tbh its just not a fun level to tas

[MASTER-88]

well, M2 is still a potential to save skills, i may try it again but tbh its just not a fun level to tas

M2 & M19 could be both. But those levels are quite "assholes" Ccexplore said m19 could be improvemnet, but he is not interested make it.

If you could be me work that my idea M2. You might redo it one point. I cannot  make its work then when i work it. Test out many ways. Its still goes suck.

[AsahiNyan]

well like i asked many times, do you have a recording of the start of the m2 18S idea, just a vid is enough,i just need some starting point because i dont want to trial and error until i get it just right because that is just wasting time that i could have spent on the best ending tas, if you dont have the recording than its worh trial and erroring

[MASTER-88]

well like i asked many times, do you have a recording of the start of the m2 18S idea, just a vid is enough,i just need some starting point because i dont want to trial and error until i get it just right because that is just wasting time that i could have spent on the best ending tas, if you dont have the recording than its worh trial and erroring

That was already posted in site, that was hard to find. This is my way theory 18 skills m2. Its only show this group

Thats group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atJ52Z2ZbnU
Thats end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze6gDeuc5qs

Otherwise level actual working same way as my 19 skills solution which is already posted playlist. But just change this compression more tight. How ever its still not let that extra lemmings up. So its still ended 19 skills.

[AsahiNyan]

yeah, thats the group and end, you have sent those before, but in order to reliably set it up without hours of trial and error i'd need the setup that gets the group like that

[MASTER-88]

yeah, thats the group and end, you have sent those before, but in order to reliably set it up without hours of trial and error i'd need the setup that gets the group like that

My SNES emulator suck. If i attempt recorded it, its like usually crash and also erased all save slots. So i only make those short clips then. I´ll quite sure myself with this. Boiler Room record trick won´t work, because as far as i can tell i test it a lot. and thats what its look in video, its look perfect. Yeah its not really funny try find it.  This setup make only few little change my TIE record setups.

And yeah this my Boiler Room current record is better than my TAS record. I accidentally got one extra which im not planned, but its still happen on console.

I am pretty sure 18 skills SNES in impossible. DOS have 80 lemmings and DOS slide setups are usually little bit different as far as i can tell. Good example Taxing 4. I never got that DOS stratwork my SNES.

Also my Pillar of Hercules slide setup is bit different than DOS.

BTW:
Here is n no any console or SNES system TAS i can test it myself better.

[AsahiNyan]

i managed to do the one group so i'll do some testing with that soon, but i also wanna give a detailed explenatin of why the 19 skill zip worked and why the 18 skill one didnt.

To do the zip you use a 3px ledge, this means that the max width of the lemming group is 1px however in certain circumstances you can do it with a 2px group width. to do this the update order within a Q must match up corectly, the builder (B) and first pixel of the lemming group (GP1) and second pixel of the lemming group (GP2) must be in a percise update order within the Q's. this is what has to happen within the 2Q's of the wallzip, Q1: B will go into the position 1Q before placeing the brick down, GP1 starts to jump, Q2: GP2 starts jumping, B places brick, GP1 continues jumping due to being updated after B was. if this doesnt happen exactly like that in the exact same order, the 2px width zip wont work, your group in both S19 and S18 are 2px groups, the reason why S19 works is because the lemmings are in that exact update order within Q's, in S18 to get the lemmings into one group rather than 1 group and 1 seperate lemming it looks like you messed up the exact order in which the lemmings have to be updated. im pretty confident that S18 is doable, maybe with a diffrent zip setup but thats something i'll find out when im back working on it.

[MASTER-88]

i managed to do the one group so i'll do some testing with that soon, but i also wanna give a detailed explenatin of why the 19 skill zip worked and why the 18 skill one didnt.

To do the zip you use a 3px ledge, this means that the max width of the lemming group is 1px however in certain circumstances you can do it with a 2px group width. to do this the update order within a Q must match up corectly, the builder (B) and first pixel of the lemming group (GP1) and second pixel of the lemming group (GP2) must be in a percise update order within the Q's. this is what has to happen within the 2Q's of the wallzip, Q1: B will go into the position 1Q before placeing the brick down, GP1 starts to jump, Q2: GP2 starts jumping, B places brick, GP1 continues jumping due to being updated after B was. if this doesnt happen exactly like that in the exact same order, the 2px width zip wont work, your group in both S19 and S18 are 2px groups, the reason why S19 works is because the lemmings are in that exact update order within Q's, in S18 to get the lemmings into one group rather than 1 group and 1 seperate lemming it looks like you messed up the exact order in which the lemmings have to be updated. im pretty confident that S18 is doable, maybe with a diffrent zip setup but thats something i'll find out when im back working on it.

Good luck. I´ll not understand any words about those TAS things. Even if you speak my own language, im not might not understand things like this. I´ll wish a lot luck and patient to make this. You really can make it if it possible.

My Boiler Room solution take me few weeks emulator and tons pen and paper when i  test everythings. Actual console attempt only take 8+ hours and got unintented extra point. Later check out did i can make one skill less. Too much troubles myself. How ever i got find this "perfect group" but its still pass one away. Crash it.


You are Lemmings Queen and you can make what ever if its even theory possible. GOOD LUCK.

[AsahiNyan]

i dont mean to sound like i think you are bad at lemmings, you are really good at it but this was ridiculously easy, the strat is the exact same as 19S just with a changed up RR at the start to make it work, here is the vid: https://youtu.be/5mDjg7eyn50

i also attached the input file, you can view it with BizHawk

[MASTER-88]

i dont mean to sound like i think you are bad at lemmings, you are really good at it but this was ridiculously easy, the strat is the exact same as 19S just with a changed up RR at the start to make it work, here is the vid: https://youtu.be/5mDjg7eyn50

i also attached the input file, you can view it with BizHawk

Awesome job. Yeah its not really look much different than my 19 skill console solution. Yeah this might be console possible too. Let see did i want spend another hours to work out that myself. Just not motivated about it rightknow, but might look in future.

Will be update your video in mainpage.

[AsahiNyan]

if you have more levels that could potentially have a improvment even if tas only, please let me know, im not working much on any other lemmings stuff atm so im free to do some max point tasing