Lemmings SNES all levels max pointed (videos up) Update 6.10.2024.

[Fuyu / Paiy]

im going to be doing some attempts on diffrent region versions for snes if i can pause 1qf earlier on one of them i think i can manage to do 2skill we all fall down i only tried on U1.1 so far

[MASTER-88]

Here is maybe quite unique trick, or at least that was unique for me few days ago. Crane actually told me about this. So i have to test it my SNES console setup.

Its will work

This idea is use digger and blocker. When you make it correct you will change digger direction without cancel it. Sadge we still cannot got 4 skills Fun 11 solutions. This trick might worth testing some levels where is diggers and blockers.

Here is SNES version setup make trick correct. Video contains shortcuts too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EetqnZs21Q&ab_channel=metroidmaster88

[Fuyu / Paiy]

i knew about that one for a verry long time i havnt got anything were it could be used

[MASTER-88]

Yeah. I also check out some levels and its seems pretty useless max-% min skill levels at this point. Yeah that was new trick for me. Even i think i knew all lemmings tricks already.

This trick is quite hard solved to practical. I pointed this thing too when i check out SNES levels.  I was little hoping there is few levels, but its quickly seem there is no really are improvement levels using that trick. Sadge.

[Fuyu / Paiy]

if f10/tax9 had a lower starting RR it would be possible to use it to do those levels with just 2 skills but but it aint possible cuz of the starting RR

[MASTER-88]

Yes i figured out it too. Sadge we cannot change starting RR. How ever its possible build own custom level with this which use 2 skills.

Fun 11 is also level i can easily make 4 skills genesis version, but no way make it in SNES version. How ever there will be a lot 5 skills solutions.

[Fuyu / Paiy]

from what i tried f11 is 1px away from 4skill snes

[MASTER-88]

Yes 1 pixel is enought and yes its pretty sadge.

BTW
Did you test Sunsot Special 2. I did 29 skills console solution, but i did crap TAS 26 skills used. I´ll improvement over my TAS. Its might interested know which is theory perfect level, how ever its never be console possible.

I´ll also add your TAS videos my main post if you figured some theory possible.

[Fuyu / Paiy]

i havnt yet but just kinda like calculating from my "best ending" tas you could do like 20-22 i dont have that file anymore but i will check when i can
this is the tas https://youtu.be/2WHzd5q3eTY?t=2943

[Fuyu / Paiy]

ok so... i did just have time actually and decided to see if can get something in a little amount of time and i think this is perfect and i am INSANLY SURPRISED my calculation of 20-22 skills where WAY off i managed 15 skills 14 diggern and 1 builder AKA 10027 points this kinda actually blew my mind when i did it i dont think this will go really any lower https://youtu.be/ad5rruW1V-M

[MASTER-88]

Very nice work SS 2. That was a lot more what i think. I´ll update this video in main page.

Hmm. Its might be console possible too. Only 14 frame perfect timing in row. My personal record is 8-10 IIRC that was done Pillar of Hercules 2 lost solution & SS 3 current point record which take me 285 recorded attempts on console. Though making those in row without tools take little bit forefer (7-8 hours) and over 250 attempts. I can imagine 14 frame timings might be possible in practical not sure did i have personally patience with this.

[Fuyu / Paiy]

if you go for it RTA i wish you luck as starting without lag and than getting lag in the middle of it makes it much harder.
but on this i do want to really clearify lemmings frame mecanics as what you call "1 frame" is actually 1qf meaning 1 quad frame wich means that "framperfect" skill timing (without lag) has a maximum time window of 3 actual frames and with lag that goes up to a maximum of  ~5 actual frames the game runs at 60fps and lemmings update every 4th frame objects (exit, entrence, water) update every 4th frame aswell but on a diffrent cycle the devs did this so the lemmings can run at normal speed while the cursor this can run smoothly (the cursor updates every frame) same mecanics apply to genesis but with much much more complexity. so when you say something in lemmings is frameperfect you actually have up to a 3 frame timewindow when the game doesnt lag and a ~5 framewindow when the game lags (im not too sure about that one thats why the "~") so a frame in snes lemmings is actually 4 frames and is called a "quad frame" or "qf" for short.
my qf perfect skill assigment record is around 35 in a row without pausing on tri3 large bridge strat (a originally tas strat i found that APG and i later started using in full rating runs because of how easy it is)

[MASTER-88]

Thanks to explain that. Im not still sure did i want attempt that on console. I never are maded 14 correct frame in row. My own 100% solution was so hard to make and its take 7 hours attempts and a lot error marginal was still allowed. That was maybe hardest level what i did max-% min skill.

BTW Also interest know this Boiler room. Its seems impossible make 100% solution with one less skills what i did myself. Even i did theory TAS  myself, but its not help here even compress all lemmings in same gropu its still let one aways. How ever its will work on DOS version. But im not got work it on SNES myself. DOS have 80 lemmings max. SNES 100 lemmings.

always if you figured out some levels which break my record you are welocme to post. I´ll want list perfect list. Surely there is no many levels which could be improvement anymore.

My solution Boiler Room take 19 skills. DOS record is 18 skills. Im not got match it perfectly.

Boiler Room take me less attempts but much more times than any other levels. 8h 30 minutes console attempts. Tons pen and paper. Its allow error margincal, but you have to coint all frames correct. I use some memory rules look eyes of the goal and count those frames on console. it was extremely genius way and my memory rules.

[Fuyu / Paiy]

im kinda in a tas flow rn so i will be checking boilder room imidiatly BUT i just managed to improve the S2 tas to just 13 skills 12 diggers 1 builder sadly 1 double digger is still needed because i need to slow the last digger down by one qf https://youtu.be/_I8MsKu7lGs

[MASTER-88]

Holy shit nice job SS 2 again. I´ll update it my list.