[NeoLemmix] Lemmings United [Difficulty: Hard-Extreme]

[IchoTolot]

Looks like no backroutes today

And that's where you're wrong.

V 8.2 is out!

Backroute fixe based on Armani's replays:

- 3 41 (has now an extra bomber pickup and a 12 minute timer)

Yes, a 12 minute timer, just to deny that long waiting game you did there. I intend no such thing, there is a cleaner way! Also some of the tricks you mentioned in that replay where not really intended. The timer should not get in the way of any solutions without the waiting game.

Also thanks for the compliment for 3 40, it's also one of my favorites.

[Armani]

Onto the 4th rank now!
Some epic levels in War rank!

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War1  I Demand A Builder! : Some nice tricks are included and not that hard I think.
War2  Well of Eternity : I felt this level is also somewhat easier than the level in previous rank. But I had fun playing this level.
War3  Stairs Of Sacrifice : Did I backroute this? I have some leftover skills.
War4  Don't Feed The Clams! : Finding the solution, I feed lots of lemmings to the clams
War5  Up The Fly Tower : This is an amazing level. Nice use of updraft and gliders!
War6  May The Skills Be With You : Those pick-up skills at the right bottom were all decoy!?? I didn't notice that early so I felt I was always in 1 builder short.
War7  Temple of Ichot'olot : I smell a backroute. I save 100%.(which means I didn't use a bomber)
War8  Mount Lemmerest : What a masterpiece! I think this is an artistic work rather than a lemmings level.
War9  DYNAmic Circuit : I think this level is similar but more difficult version of "I Demand A Builder!".  And also assigning blocker right in front of closed exit is so creative.
War10 Beam Me Up Lemmy! : Oh if a lemming that doing something pass the teleporter, that lemming continue his job at the receiver! Thank you for teaching me this. I got some inspiration for making my own levels.
War11 Hellraisers : I got a floater left. But I think I did lots of intended things so I guess it to be a minor backroute or acceptable variation..?
War12 The Climbing of the Zugspitze : Awesome layout with fitting song! Is Zugspitze a name of a mountain?
War13 Climbers Of the Swamp : Yes. That blocker in the air is the trick that I really like! I thought I can use this trick to change the directions of falling lemmings in the mid-air. And you teach me other ways to use this trick!
War14 There's Something In The Water : The title of the level was a huge spoiler.

And that's where you're wrong.

That's so sad I believed I found an intended one. I will look at the fixed version soon

[IchoTolot]

V 8.3 is out!

Backroute fixes based on Armani's replays:

- 4 07 (added some extra water pits)
- 4 11 (added some steel)

Comments:

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War3  Stairs Of Sacrifice : Acceptable alternative.
War6  May The Skills Be With You : You fell for my trap.
War8  Mount Lemmerest : This level actually has 2 major solutions. You can also go left and then right and end up in the other exit.
War11 Hellraisers : It's even a major one, but it should be fixed now.
War12 The Climbing of the Zugspitze : Yes, it's a mountain in the very south of Germany.

[Armani]

It's getting more and more difficult

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War15  Framed With The Best Skills : I thought that I could save a walker so I tried several times but it was impossible.  The level required very effective using of every skill! I love that.
War16 Tomb Raiders : Miner connection, digger connection and basher connection all in one level
War17  Shatterhail : Cute little level.
War18 United We Stand : Hardest level so far. I had to manipulate RR very often and very precisely. This level gave me a statisfying feel of accomplishment. Thanks
War19  Kraft Und Licht : The music you used in shadow tileset really fit well and give a good vibe of midnight. Hopefully my solution is intended, as I didn't use much of the left side of the level. 
War20  Harkonnen Force : I felt my solution is mostly intended except that I have a miner left.

[IchoTolot]

Everything is fine in the current batch of replays.

In War 18 you made it a bit harder than nessesary at the beginning though. I am very impressed that you found the EXACTLY intended route in War 19!

[Armani]

Only three for today.

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War21  Center of Attention : A single hero lemming do all the jobs alone I have some skills left.
War22 Under The Eyes Of Horus : I'm not sure if this is intended. Maybe if I optimize my solution, it seems like I can save a last digger.
War23 Wrath of the Lem King : Cool puzzle level! I really enjoyed it

[IchoTolot]

I am very pleased to see that all 3 levels are either intended or acceptable variants!

Especially War 22! That one took quite a few versions to get it right!

[Armani]

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War25 Flesh Circuit And Bone : Not sure if this is intended.
War26 I, Lemming : Timing of the Builder + cloner was super important in this level!
War27 Abort the Experiment! : I think this level is easy for War rank. Maybe you wanted to teach player to cancel builder by assigning a basher I guess?
War28 Complex Complex : It seems intended except that I had a bomber left.
War29 On the Sunny Side of Life : Replay edit mode of Neolemmix helped me a lot in this level! It was Really fun and enjoyable
War30 Journey To The Coast : I'm sure this is intended
War31 Tower of Darkness : I could see really clever use of stackers here.
War32 Eternally Revolving : Blocker and stoner are both used to contained crowd but they also have a difference! I could see many puzzle potentials in this level.
War33 The Spirit Of Competition : It was the longest miner I have ever seen!
War34 Offworld : The builder position was really outside the box!
War35 Rising Like an Endless Crescendo : Not so difficult as it looks first. Pick-up skills guided me to the right solutions.

Edit : The zip folder has no replay for war24, so i added

[IchoTolot]

V 8.4 is out!

Backroute fixes based on Armani's replays:

- 4 25 (a builder is now a pick-up skill)


- 5 37 (a small visual error has been fixed)

Comments:

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War25 Flesh Circuit And Bone : Nope backroute, but this level was a little problem child as well.
War27 Abort the Experiment! : I know another level using the same trick that has not been solved by various people for a long time because of it. I spend a week as well back in the days. I guess it's a either an easy or super-hard level.
War28 Complex Complex : There is an easier way with the bomber, but it has the same spirit. The intended bomber died in your replay as well though.
War33 The Spirit Of Competition : The first person to use the left exit.

[Armani]

Finished War rank and came here with some backroutes

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War36 Rise Over Run : I got a no swimmer solution
War37 An Artist's Life : The very first part of the level was the most difficult! I like the way how to split two gliders and making safe path for the crowd.
War38 Imperial Basin : I see no need for the floater, maybe I backrouted this.
War39 Hysteria : Wow I really like this level. How effectively can I let the crowd down was the key and I had a lot of fun! I had a basher left though.
War40 Floral Fury : If there were no replay edit mode in Neolemmix, maybe this level would takes several hours to solve
War41 Loss Of Lemmanity : I think I backrouted boss level of the rank. I use only one pair of teleporter and save some skills. Maybe the intended solution use the trick that was also used in "Climbers of the Swamp", but I'm not sure.

[IchoTolot]

V 8.5 is out!

Backroute fixes based on Armani's replays:

- 4 36 (Lem count down to 20, 2:00 Timer added, removed 2 walkers, added a swimmer, some terrain changes)
- 4 38 (added a OWW)
- 4 39 (half of the platformers are now a pick-up skill)
- 4 41 (3 builders and 2 blockers are now pick-ups)

Comments:

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War36 Rise Over Run : Let's say I changed quite a few things up to counter this. Originally this was a rank 3 level, a lot of fixes increased the difficulty by an extreme ammount and it seems it still needed work.
War37 An Artist's Life : And suddenly the basher cancel is the most difficult part.
War38 Imperial Basin : Yeah, backroute.
War39 Hysteria : Totally backrouted. Let's see how you fair with only half the platformers for the first part.
War41 Loss Of Lemmanity: That's a major backroute! hopefully fixed now.

I would propose to you to resolve all the backroutes first before going into rank 5. I really would like to know if the faults are truly fixed now.

[Armani]

On to the final difficulty rank!

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Genocide1 QUOLA : Super clever puzzle! At first glance, it didn't look that difficult but when I play myself, this was a really difficult level.
Genocide2 Downrising : Nice breather level after really hard one for me.
Genocide3 You Gotta Party Harty! : Getting the crowd down and releasing all the blocker was really challenging.
Genocide4 Marble, Stone And Iron Breaks : I was happy to learn many tricks in this level! Especially I love that digger+builder at rightmost side of the level. At first, I thought that I should dig and turn the digger by assigning another lemming a blocker and finally bash him out. But there was a much more effective way!
Genocide5 Googly Eyed Coffins : I think this is the only backroute I found today. Many skills are left.
Genocide6 Chanson d'Automne : It was really hard to see the solution, especially the position of the first stoner was genius!
Genocide7 Braindead Mummys : Isolating a pioneer lemming to the bottom left was a bit fiddly but not super fiddly so I think it's okay. And I had a lot of fun reapting cloner + stoner to the glider!

I would propose to you to resolve all the backroutes first before going into rank 5. I really would like to know if the faults are truly fixed now.

Oh I'm sorry. It totally slipped my mind. I'll definitely look at all of them one by one.
Some resolved levels

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War7 Temple of Ichot'olot : I think I got a right solution this time. Nice trick at the beginning!
War11 Hellraiser : I used all the skills hopefully this is intended.

And I could see some similar backroutes that are still valid in new version.

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War36 Rise Over Run : This time, I used three swimmers but still some skills are left.
War38 Imperial Basin : Almost same backroute still exist.
War41 Loss of Lemanity : It seems like I found another backroute. A blocker is left and I didn't use bottom teleporter.
For the War39 Hysteria, I think it would take some more time to resolve it as it seems I need to try totally different approach.

[IchoTolot]

V 8.6 is out!

Backroute fixes based on Armani's replays:

- 4 11 (added some OWWs)
- 4 36 (added a trap)
- 4 38 (added some steel)
- 4 41 (added some electricity/fire)

- 5 03 (added some tererain)
- 5 05 (added some steel)

Thank you very much for these replays they are really helpng a lot!

The extra check was definitly needed as you see in the fix log!

I think there were some backroutes in previous ranks as well (3 41 comes to my mind for example). If you have the time I would love to see if these are finally fixed as well.

[Armani]

I bet there are no backroutes for today

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Genocide 8 Pitch Black : Saving skills at the left part of the level was the key. I was surprised to see how small amount of skills were indeed needed here.
Genocide 9 Laboratory Evacuation : Yes. Replay edit mode helped me a lot again.
Genocide 10 Where Secrets Sway : This level should be one of my favorite! Very hard and some nice tricks included.
Genocide 11 Embracing Entropy : Rather easy than previous level for me.

And I resolved some backrouted levels.

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Tension 26 Let Us Out : Now it seems intended!
Tension 41 The Igniting Spark : How about this? This time I didn't do long waiting game. But I'm not sure if the stoner I used in bottom left to contain crowd is intended or not.
War 36 Rise Over Run : This time I used all the skills. Please tell me this is intended.
War 38 Imperial Basin : Finally I can see why there should be a little hole for a floater to fall down. I guess this is intended. Wonderful level!
War 41 Loss of Lemanity : I used all the skills and all the teleporter at least once and didn't use some dirty tricks or something like that.  
Genocide 3 You Gotta Party Harty! : This time, I even have a blocker left!
Genocide 5 Googly Eyed Coffins : It seems intended now!

[IchoTolot]

V 8.7 is out!

Backroute fixes based on Armani's replays:

- 5 03 (changed up some tererain)

Comments:

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Tension 41 The Igniting Spark : Yes, the stoner part is not intended, but overall I declare it as close enough. A fix would also cause more harm to the level than good.
War 36 Rise Over Run : Finally! Good job!
War 41 Loss of Lemanity : I call this accepted now.
Genocide 3 You Gotta Party Harty! : Yeah, that still needs work.
Genocide 10 Where Secrets Sway : I am glad that this one worked out nicely.