Cheapo and/or LemEdit

Ice_Eagle91 · October 02, 2005, 06:22:58 PM

Well, the Cheapo downloads in Dragonslover's old site have all the sets, including the Wild set, the Madness set, and the Spain set.

Gblems.sty is used in one of AlmightyHydra's levels, which you cannot play if you download it from http://www.teamhellspawn.com/lemmings/tools.htm. There are other exciting styles in the complete download that the other doesn't have.

If Isu downloads there, he might extend Style Trial...

Proxima · October 02, 2005, 06:34:21 PM

I see; so you were just saying that's the most complete download available. It still doesn't include all the sets and styles made by the people on this forum, though....

JM · October 02, 2005, 11:33:31 PM

The site has a levelpak by Team Hell Spawn for Custlemm. The levels have some pretty cool scenery but some are fairly hard and some are fairly easy.

Isu · October 03, 2005, 02:19:42 AM

Quote from: Ice_Eagle91 link=1128043971/15#15 date=1128277378If Isu downloads there, he might extend Style Trial...

Yes, I probably will. I have actually extended part 2 to accomodate Ahribar's new Prince style, I'll upload it sometime.

Proxima · October 03, 2005, 09:51:06 AM

Cool! I was wondering if everyone was tactfully ignoring that style....... since no-one ever posted in the topic.

geoo · October 03, 2005, 12:16:42 PM

Arhibar's Repton and Prince style encouraged me to create a Supaplex style which I had planned before and almost discarded.
However, don't expect it to be released soon, it will take quite some time.

I quite like the Prince style since Prince was one of my favourite games I played.

finlay · October 06, 2005, 11:07:21 PM

I'm now trying to get Cheapo and Lemedit to work on my shiny new iBook (yay!) by installing Windows 98 on the Virtual PC. Having done that I can't work out how to get them onto it.

very annoying... If I can't get it to work, I won't have any access at all, because I'm leaving in three days for university. I do remember in the distant past using a previous version of Virtual PC with Windows 95 and Cheapo didn't work very well at all; the vertical dimension didn't work, for instance; so that's not very promising at all. I could have installed XP on this version but there's not really enough space on my hard drive, since it's a laptop. O_o

finlay · October 06, 2005, 11:45:45 PM

OK, having actually got Cheapo onto it it now gives an error, and so does the editor: Cannot create primary surface. Whatever does that mean?

finlay · October 06, 2005, 11:51:16 PM

Quote from: JM link=1128043971/0#14 date=1128277091When I first downloaded Lemedit it wudn't work on XP so I got Lemedit2 and ran it in DoxBox then the mouse worked. Finlay I'm also looking forward to playing your levels

Sorry, but I'll probably need a bit of time before I can actually do that. O_o First I have to go off to university, but once I've got there and settled down I could perhaps do a couple, although as I say the programs may not work on the laptop in which case you could only see the ones I've already done. It's somewhat ironic that it happens now when I've just really got them working.

ccexplore · October 07, 2005, 01:36:57 AM

Quote from: finlay link=1128043971/15#22 date=1128642345OK, having actually got Cheapo onto it it now gives an error, and so does the editor: Cannot create primary surface. Whatever does that mean?

Since no one else here has experience with running Virtual PC on an iBook and installing Windows 98 on it, help might be limited.

I can tell you in somewhat technical terms though that it means Cheapo and the editor is having some problems doing graphics. Now I'll spew out some stuff which might or might not make sense to you, hopefully the former.

1) Make sure you have DirectX installed along with Windows 98. Muck around at the Microsoft's official windows website to find a download for it.

2) I'm hoping the Virtual PC is sophisticated enough to support DirectX. Well, you'll know once you updated your Windows 98 to have the latest DirectX components on it. If Cheapo is still having the same problem then maybe it's Virtual PC's fault.

3) It's possible that Cheapo and the editor needs something better than Windows 98, though I don't remember what the minimum system requirements are exactly. Someone here should be able to tell you that.

Most likely, if you simply resign yourself to use a real PC rather than a Virtual PC, you'll have less problems.

ccexplore · October 07, 2005, 01:44:18 AM

Quote from: ccexplore (not logged in) link=1128043971/15#24 date=1128649017Most likely, if you simply resign yourself to use a real PC rather than a Virtual PC, you'll have less problems.

I just read the birthday thread. So it's your birthday present huh, no wonder you wanted to put Cheapo on it.

Well good luck, I sincerely hope it works out. If it doesn't, I guess it's back to the PC.

I would also think that somewhere out on the Internet should be support groups (ie. forums) for getting PC games to run on Mac thru Virtual PC. If Cheapo's having problems, so will a whole bunch of other PC/Windows games that uses DirectX for rendering graphics and sound.

finlay · October 07, 2005, 11:22:24 AM

Direct X actually might be the problem; I do remember last time I tried to put Cheapo on Virtual PC (this was a year or two back and it was Win95), it needed Direct X. Now I just need to find it; it should install on the Virtual PC.

It is my birthday present, yes.

I'm quite happy with it, but it is a bit slower than the other computers. Lemmings was a bit slower than I'm used to, but I don't think it was as jerky (which I think is a result of running it in Classic mode on OS X, although the manual described that problem and said it would be cDevs and INITs (mac extension programs), but when I turned this off it was still jerky) as it was on my normal computer.
Also, I won't have personal access to a PC when I go away to university this weekend, so this is my chance to get it to work now, basically.

finlay · October 07, 2005, 12:38:33 PM

No! all that and it didn't even work!!

that's just disappointing. The Virtual PC was running very very slowly anyway, so it might be that I've got several other programs open in the background... I don't want to give up though, but I have absolutely no idea how it might work. I only used windows 98 because XP would take up too much disk space.

ccexplore · October 07, 2005, 01:35:48 PM

I'm not sure what kind of performance you were expecting. You already said yourself that the notebook was slower than what you're used to, then on top of that you have the Virtual PC whose emulation will add a whole new layer of slowness on top of the notebook.

Anyway, let's try this to see whether DirectX is the issue (it most probably is):

1) Go to the Start Menu
2) click "Run"
3) type dxdiag and press Enter

This will bring up the "DirectX Diagnostic Tool" that comes with the DirectX installation. It will gather some system information which might take a minute or 2, so be patient. Once it looks ready, click the "Display" tab.

4) Take a look at the "Notes" section and see whether it says "No Problems Found". If not, take note of what problems it said it found.

5) click the "Test DirectDraw" button. The program will now direct you to a series of tests, where it first tells you what you should be seeing, then it does the test (generally some animation of a box bouncing around), and then it asks you whether what you saw matches what the program says you should be seeing. You should pass all tests. On my machine, I recall there were 3 or 4 tests it did.

Let's start with that for now and see where you go with that.

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I'm not very familiar with DirectX, but I think what can happen is, the program when using DirectX can ask for certain capabilities it needs, and if the hardware doesn't support it, you'll end up with the "cannot create primary surface" error. It's possible that under a VirtualPC, its emulation of the display system isn't sophisticated enough to support the capabilities Cheapo might need.

ccexplore · October 07, 2005, 01:50:21 PM

Speaking of performance, check out what Microsoft has to say about it:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824622

Now, to be fair, Cheapo isn't exactly the pushing the cutting edge of computer graphics (it should be far less demanding than the average 3D first person shooter), and it is a Microsoft article so there can be a little bit of bias.

Still, I think it's a good idea to set your expectations to having Cheapo walk on the Virtual PC. I'm not sure it'll run.

Also, check out the manual for Virtual PC to see if there are any specific settings you need in order for DirectX to work under it.