Cheapo and/or LemEdit

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Where does one find Cheapo? Is it still available?

What about LemEdit? How do you get it to work properly. I tried to load it (without dosbox though, I suppose that could be the problem... :\) and the mouse didn't work.

[Proxima]

http://www.teamhellspawn.com/lemmings/tools.htm

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Thanks!

I've just realised I didn't download LemEdit2, which I thought I had. But now the clock won't initialise. I did follow the advice in the other thread, but even with the cycles set to 20 it failed--is this Mac OS X being faster than Dosbox is perhaps designed for? I've now set it to 6 but it's taking years to load. Why didn't somebody hack it so it didn't do this?

edit: in fact, with cycles set to 6 it failed worse than before....  :-/

[ccexplore]

I've just realised I didn't download LemEdit2, which I thought I had. But now the clock won't initialise. I did follow the advice in the other thread, but even with the cycles set to 20 it failed--is this Mac OS X being faster than Dosbox is perhaps designed for? I've now set it to 6 but it's taking years to load. Why didn't somebody hack it so it didn't do this?

Because I haven't figured it out yet.

LemEdit2 was made mainly to allow the mouse to work, it doesn't pretend to fix the clock problem.  In fact, I only have a fix for the mouse problem because someone else pointed out somewhere on this board that LemEdit attempts to do a check for Windows and then switch to a "Windows compatible mode", but unfortunately the check only works up to Win98--on later versions of Windows the check fails, so LemEdit thinks it's running in a real DOS environment.  My hack in LemEdit2 simply forces LemEdit to always use the Windows compatible mode no matter what.  It fixes the mouse but doesn't really help with the clock problem.

Really, the author of LemEdit is the one who should be publicly executed for the atrocity.  I mean, even Lemmings itself runs on XP, just that the speed is wrong.  Mouse at least works there.  It behooves me why LemEdit author would try to deal with the mouse and timer in such unorthodox ways that it breaks compatability with basically any system that doesn't have true DOS on it.

While I don't think I can offer much to get around the timer problem, do tell me how bad it is:  the test looks for 2 seconds, what did it report back?  (On my machine without changing the emulation cycles number from the default 3000, it gives back about 1.70 seconds.)

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I'm also slightly confused now though.  I thought you said you are running DOSBox in XP?  But now it sounds like you're running it on the Mac OS.  Very few people here have Mac OS, and of the ones who do, I think you're the only one so far who has tried DOSBox on it.  So we don't know anything about how things will work on the Mac OS.  But DOSBox is supposed to be relatively platform independent, so generally things that works in DOSBox on WinXP should also work on DOSBox on Mac OS.

[ccexplore]

Actually, although I don't have much luck with it, see what happens if you run LemEdit2 directly on WinXP.

If I recall correctly, the mouse doesn't work very well when you try that, but it seems to vary from machine to machine.  Maybe it'll work out better for you (though I won't count on it).

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Because I haven't figured it out yet.

LemEdit2 was made mainly to allow the mouse to work, it doesn't pretend to fix the clock problem.  In fact, I only have a fix for the mouse problem because someone else pointed out somewhere on this board that LemEdit attempts to do a check for Windows and then switch to a "Windows compatible mode", but unfortunately the check only works up to Win98--on later versions of Windows the check fails, so LemEdit thinks it's running in a real DOS environment.  My hack in LemEdit2 simply forces LemEdit to always use the Windows compatible mode no matter what.  It fixes the mouse but doesn't really help with the clock problem.

Really, the author of LemEdit is the one who should be publicly executed for the atrocity.  I mean, even Lemmings itself runs on XP, just that the speed is wrong.  Mouse at least works there.  It behooves me why LemEdit author would try to deal with the mouse and timer in such unorthodox ways that it breaks compatability with basically any system that doesn't have true DOS on it.

While I don't think I can offer much to get around the timer problem, do tell me how bad it is:  the test looks for 2 seconds, what did it report back?  (On my machine without changing the emulation cycles number from the default 3000, it gives back about 1.70 seconds.)

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I'm also slightly confused now though.  I thought you said you are running DOSBox in XP?  But now it sounds like you're running it on the Mac OS.  Very few people here have Mac OS, and of the ones who do, I think you're the only one so far who has tried DOSBox on it.  So we don't know anything about how things will work on the Mac OS.  But DOSBox is supposed to be relatively platform independent, so generally things that works in DOSBox on WinXP should also work on DOSBox on Mac OS.

I have both; sorry for confusing you. Basically I was on the PC on Thursday night, then I went on the Mac the next morning (because I compete with two siblings for it usually). I usually use the mac out of preference, but then if I want things like these special lemmings things I have to use the PC.
Mac OS is generally faster than windows, though, afaik.

I couldn't even get 1.70 seconds setting the cycles to obscenely low things like 4; there it was something like 1.4. On the default 3000 it was 0.8 or something.

As far as the other games went, Lemmings 2 worked on my fast OS X, albeit slowly, but only just worked on the iMac. It worked at a respectable speed on the XP. Lemmings 3 worked on the XP but I haven't tried it on the mac yet. I suspect I'll get similar results.

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Yay! Lemedit2 worked on dosbox on the XP.

/me is very very happy.

Now I just need to show you my levels. I've already made a few hand-coding it on the mac X_X although I'd need to get them first into the right format. I have a couple more that I want to make though...

Oh, and another question: where do you get Cheapo sets?

[Proxima]

The Cheapo pack topic in Level Designing contains a few downloads; or you can ask the guys here, most of whom keep a fair few of each other's sets as well as their own. I'll let you have mine, as soon as I've found some way to get my new styles to you (there are 22, most of them nearly or just over 1MB.........)

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O_o... erm, you could always try emailing them, perhaps, but it just might take a while.

[Ice_Eagle91]

http://www.teamhellspawn.com/lemmings/tools.htm

I don't think that download has all the styles and sets.

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No, it doesn't; it only has the default crazy set.

[Proxima]

Well, there isn't any download that has all the styles and sets..... only place to go if you want that is right here.

[Ice_Eagle91]

http://membres.lycos.fr/createmania/lemmings3.html

Actually, this is where all the sets and styles are.  

[Proxima]

"All"? Like hell it is.

[JM]

When I first downloaded Lemedit it wudn't work on XP so I got Lemedit2 and ran it in DoxBox then the mouse worked. Finlay I'm also looking forward to playing your levels