call for level packs

Mindless · August 17, 2005, 04:45:09 AM

if you'd like your level packs put up on my site, this is the week to tell me, since next week I will be starting school again and won't have as much time to do updates and such

so far i've got:
- tumble_weed (00-13)
- insane steve (01-09)

JM · August 17, 2005, 11:14:32 AM

You could upload my packs couldnt you?

http://www.geocities.com/jmjm0052005/JMpaks.zip

I wouldn't mind having them put up on your site.

Mindless · August 17, 2005, 12:57:39 PM

Unfortunately, some of the levels in your packs contain errors that LemEdit does not catch.
For example, the fourth level in JM03 (Caught in a trap):
Terrain
   T 26 X: 181 Y:-11 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 27 X: 215 Y:-11 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 28 X: 195 Y:-2 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 29 X: 204 Y: 2 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 30 X: 162 Y:-11 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 31 X: 227 Y:-18 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 32 X: 156 Y:-18 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 58 X: 1145 Y:-3 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 59 X: 1134 Y: 40 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 60 X: 1142 Y: 42 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 61 X: 1157 Y: 41 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 62 X: 1121 Y: 82 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 63 X: 1137 Y: 84 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 64 X: 1153 Y: 83 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 65 X: 1169 Y: 83 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 66 X: 1107 Y: 113 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 67 X: 1117 Y: 115 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 69 X: 1134 Y: 118 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 72 X: 1171 Y: 119 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 73 X: 1183 Y: 120 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 74 X: 1147 Y: 120 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 75 X: 1163 Y: 79 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 76 X: 1145 Y: 45 ID: 66 Mod:0
   T 77 X: 1148 Y: 25 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 78 X: 1136 Y: 68 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 79 X: 1112 Y: 113 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 80 X: 1118 Y: 129 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 81 X: 1163 Y: 145 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 82 X: 1164 Y: 94 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 83 X: 1151 Y:-11 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 84 X: 1155 Y: 8 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 85 X: 1156 Y: 30 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 86 X: 1161 Y: 62 ID: 65 Mod:0
   T 119 X: 624 Y: 43 ID: 72 Mod:8
   T 120 X: 433 Y: 139 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 121 X: 473 Y: 141 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 122 X: 496 Y: 146 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 123 X: 477 Y: 143 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 124 X: 445 Y: 142 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 125 X: 561 Y: 143 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 126 X: 578 Y: 146 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 127 X: 593 Y: 149 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 128 X: 598 Y: 147 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 129 X: 574 Y: 145 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 130 X: 648 Y: 142 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 131 X: 660 Y: 145 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 132 X: 680 Y: 145 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 133 X: 720 Y: 148 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 134 X: 797 Y: 149 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 135 X: 778 Y: 147 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 136 X: 859 Y: 150 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 137 X: 895 Y: 143 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 138 X: 911 Y: 145 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 139 X: 930 Y: 146 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 140 X: 1012 Y: 145 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 141 X: 1027 Y: 147 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 142 X: 1036 Y: 144 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 143 X: 1051 Y: 146 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 144 X: 1067 Y: 145 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 145 X: 1074 Y: 148 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 146 X: 1089 Y: 149 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 147 X: 746 Y: 150 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 148 X: 736 Y: 147 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 149 X: 768 Y: 147 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 150 X: 694 Y: 147 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 151 X: 698 Y: 150 ID: 73 Mod:8
   T 152 X: 417 Y: 143 ID: 72 Mod:8
   T 153 X: 457 Y: 144 ID: 72 Mod:8

Notice that all these terrain pieces have ID's above 63. I'm not sure how you accomplished this, other than HEX editing. In any case, I'd appreciate it if you'd fix this and the corresponding problem in JM05 level 9 (Drown).

JM · August 17, 2005, 03:49:20 PM

What other errors were there?

ccexplore · August 17, 2005, 05:01:57 PM

Quote from: Mindless link=1124253909/0#2 date=1124283459Unfortunately, some of the levels in your packs contain errors that LemEdit does not catch.

Somehow I don't think JM would be hex-editing levels, especially for such ungainful purposes.

What happens when you examine such terrain pieces in LemEdit?

I'm pretty sure in Lemmings/CustLemm, it only looks at 6 bits for the terrain, hence that 1 extra bit is probably ignored. Does the resulting terrain look obviously wrong (ie. out of place) in the level when played?

Finally, are you sure it isn't just your validation program? You might want to look at the level data manually and check.

JM · August 17, 2005, 05:28:13 PM

I did not hex edit my levels. I made them all with Lemedit.

Mindless · August 17, 2005, 06:48:09 PM

Quote from: ccexplore (not logged in) link=1124253909/0#4 date=1124298117What happens when you examine such terrain pieces in LemEdit?

I'm pretty sure in Lemmings/CustLemm, it only looks at 6 bits for the terrain, hence that 1 extra bit is probably ignored. Does the resulting terrain look obviously wrong (ie. out of place) in the level when played?

LemEdit has strange ways for dealing with numbers that exceed the maximum allowed. The level looks fine in LemEdit, but I haven't tried it in CustLemm. I guess I'll change my prog to ignore that bit.

I'm not sure how that bit could possibly get set. :

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ccexplore · August 17, 2005, 06:56:39 PM

Incidentally, I'm curious what exactly counts as errors (ie. what things are checked) by your program. Just curious.

Mindless · August 17, 2005, 08:39:34 PM

Actually it's not a validation program, although that is a side effect... I'm waiting for OOP in freeBASIC, then I'll be able to finish and release it.

ccexplore · August 17, 2005, 09:43:58 PM

Quote from: Mindless link=1124253909/0#8 date=1124311174Actually it's not a validation program

Well, regardless, it's clearly doing some error checking, so which ones?

Conway · August 17, 2005, 11:18:19 PM

Mindless, how did you detect these pieces? And where did you get the table in reply 2? Lemedit aparentely doesn't detect these pieces, and the level plays okay in Custlemm.

You can use my levelpacks if you like: Download!

Mindless · August 17, 2005, 11:28:14 PM

- level is incorrect size (should be 2048 bytes)
- object id' which exceed the maximum of 15
- terrain id's which exceed the maximum of 63 (not needed when first bit ignored)
- unexpected non-nulls (in steel data blocks)
- (to be implemented) check for non-displayable characters in level name
- (to be implemented) check for objects with the y coordinates below 0
- (to be implemented) check for incorrect terrain and object modifers
- (to be implemented) check for terrain and objects with the y coordinates above 159
- (to be implemented) check for terrain and objects with the x coordinates above 1583
- (to be implemented) check for graphics sets above 9

hmm...perhaps i should make a dedicated level verifier...

Mindless · August 17, 2005, 11:52:11 PM

It's from a program I wrote that lists all information from a level.

JM · August 18, 2005, 11:48:25 AM

Is the program able to be downloaded and where at?

Mindless · August 18, 2005, 01:25:24 PM

not yet

call for level packs

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