Christmas 2016 Pack

Crane · December 10, 2016, 10:20:30 PM

Hi guys. This is very short-notice, but I'm considering putting together a community pack of maybe just 30 levels that consists of levels made out of the Holiday tileset, and maybe some levels converted from the Snow set if the traps can be removed or converted. It's mostly so I can get to grips with the Flexi tools again so I can aid möbius with Revenge of the Lemmings when the time comes.

Anyone have any suggestions as to what levels to include? I was thinking of:

- "Spiralling Snowstorm" by Clam Spammer
- "Someone must help us!" (aka. "A wave goodbye") Matthias Witt (converted from Snow tileset)
- "Ethereality" by Akseli
- That collaboration level in Picnic in Revenge of the Lemmings (with the 3 of 2013 changed to a 6).

Other possibilities (which might be questionable but could work as filler, plus I was one of the few people who didn't play Oh No! More Lemmings until late on into my level design history, which is why so few of my levels use those tilesets - plus I didn't have the graphics files to use with CUSTLEMM):

- Chill out! (Wicked 5)
- Race against the cliches (Havoc 4)

I haven't been able to test it, but when mixing tilesets together (e.g. to use the Snow traps or one-way arrows in the Holiday tileset), do the Santa lemmings have working Drowner and Frier animations?

bulletride · December 11, 2016, 09:05:16 PM

A Christmas pack is a great idea! I had never used the Christmas set before so I went ahead and threw together a couple of levels. Feel free to use them for this pack if you wish! If you like them I can maybe make a few more.

edit: ended up making 2 more levels

namida · December 12, 2016, 01:49:41 AM

Quoteand maybe some levels converted from the Snow set if the traps can be removed or converted.

Assuming you're using NeoLemmix (or even SuperLemmini, if I'm not mistaken), the Xmas set has the Snow trap / iceblower / water added to it - and in NeoLemmix's case (but not SuperLemmini's), graphic sets can be mixed together in a single level these days anyway.

(You could pretty much just change the "primary" graphic set to Xmas, replace the icicle trap with the one from the Xmas set (so it shows a Santa lemming when killing), replace the windows and exits, and add a few Xmas-y decorations, and bam, your Snow level is now a Xmas level.)

Proxima · December 12, 2016, 02:34:50 AM

I hope you'll include Vignette (from Revenge of the Lemmings) as it's the only level I've made that's eligible

Colorful Arty · December 12, 2016, 02:57:25 AM

You could also ask people if they want to make a Christmas themed level specifically for this pack. I'd be interested in doing so, as making a Christmas level would be fun without needing to make a whole pack in the process.

Crane · December 12, 2016, 07:29:18 AM

Quote from: Proxima on December 12, 2016, 02:34:50 AM
I hope you'll include Vignette (from Revenge of the Lemmings) as it's the only level I've made that's eligible

Oh absolutely. I had that one in mind too!

If anyone would like to make a Christmas level specifically for this, please go right ahead. Heck, I could probably use some Fun/Tricky-like ones with 20 of everything to start it off, or something truly unique.

This week I'll see if I can get to grips with the tools.

bulletride · December 13, 2016, 02:42:54 AM

Here is another one... This is probably a tricky-ish level. More builders can be added as well to make it easier. Don't feel pressured to use all of mine lol I can use the leftovers in another pack.

Colorful Arty · December 13, 2016, 04:40:42 AM

Do these levels HAVE to use the xmas or snow tilesets, or could they be any as long as there is a Christmas theme to them? For example, the abstract set has red and green pieces which could be used to make a festive level.

Minim · December 13, 2016, 07:02:40 AM

I hope some of my Holiday Lemmings '95 levels will make the cut. Although these levels would have to be transported from Lemmix - here is the link.

Unfortuntely I can't seem to play BulletRide's level pack. I can't extract that RAR file.

I played the Icecaps level though. Although very easy, the horizontal poles look neat as a top for pillars.

GigaLem · December 13, 2016, 08:06:15 AM

Not to diverge into sth off-topic but, Coincidentally I've been working on a Holiday level pack of my own I have a few things to say

Quote from: Colorful Arty on December 13, 2016, 04:40:42 AM
Do these levels HAVE to use the xmas or snow tilesets, or could they be any as long as there is a Christmas theme to them? For example, the abstract set has red and green pieces which could be used to make a festive level.

I have been using that in my pack, a Colorful tileset can make good holiday levels, infact its my favorite of the LPV tiles

Quote from: Minim on December 13, 2016, 07:02:40 AM
I hope some of my Holiday Lemmings '95 levels will make the cut. Although these levels would have to be transported from Lemmix - here is the link.

Unfortuntely I can't seem to play BulletRide's level pack. I can't extract that RAR file. I played the Icecaps level though. Although very easy, the horizontal poles look neat as a top for pillars.

I will probably look at this as well, If little to none make it, Why not Convert them into a .nxp file?

I may look at some levels for inspiration, but if anything, a collab level would be nice ~~and a Hard-for-flopsy level too~~
But one thing i would go against is Reusing an official level to fill spots, Noy really a fan of that, Especially if brand new level can be made

bulletride · December 13, 2016, 08:00:57 PM

Quote from: Minim on December 13, 2016, 07:02:40 AM
I hope some of my Holiday Lemmings '95 levels will make the cut. Although these levels would have to be transported from Lemmix - here is the link.

Unfortuntely I can't seem to play BulletRide's level pack. I can't extract that RAR file. I played the Icecaps level though. Although very easy, the horizontal poles look neat as a top for pillars.

I downloaded your Christmas pack and was confused because it appeared as the marble tile set. I must have glazed over that it hasn't been converted yet lol.

I put my levels in a NXP so its easier to play them. Made a few changes...

I removed a blocker and made the save percentage stricter on Shakey Foundations to make it a bit more challenging. I also removed the blockers and a few builders from Ice Caps. Still should be super easy but a bit less so :p

If anyone has played Hit The Slopes, do you think it would more interesting without miners?

Minim · December 13, 2016, 10:36:43 PM

Quote from: BulletRide on December 13, 2016, 08:00:57 PM
Quote from: Minim on December 13, 2016, 07:02:40 AM
I hope some of my Holiday Lemmings '95 levels will make the cut. Although these levels would have to be transported from Lemmix - here is the link.

Unfortuntely I can't seem to play BulletRide's level pack. I can't extract that RAR file. I played the Icecaps level though. Although very easy, the horizontal poles look neat as a top for pillars.

I downloaded your Christmas pack and was confused because it appeared as the marble tile set. I must have glazed over that it hasn't been converted yet lol.

Whoops! I totally forgot these were still based originally from the marble set!

Tomorrow morning I will look into this and see if I can convert them.

Edit: It is possible, but it's going to take ages to get all of them done. (Shame you can't just cut and paste the layout like you could with Lemmix

) I had to convert each terrain and object one-by-one. So, I'll just submit two levels: 'Christmas Cross' because it's one of my favourites and 'Ship trip to the caves' because of the nice layout.

Crane · December 14, 2016, 08:28:48 PM

Well, I've converted my first level for this pack, "Someone must help us!", but I also applied some backroute fixes since there were solutions that, if I recall correctly, don't use the author's intended mechanic.

Spoiler

A single builder must connect three separate points

The time limit reduction forces a particular solution, only because another one is so painfully tight with the 4-minute limit that it can come off as unfair. However, does it appear and play okay to everyone else?

P.S. I can't seem to extract levels from NXP files, or even open them in the editor. Is this intended?
P.P.S. As for "Hit the slopes", it's a fairly straightforward level for the likes of us, and completing it without miners isn't too much more difficult - it just requires thoughtful positioning of the diggers. However, I can make "No miners" a talisman.

ADDENDUM: Also converted Vignette. I hope it's to your approval, Proxima. Admittedly I added 2 bombers to the skill set, just to be cruel! I'll remove them though if I'm taking too many liberties.

Crane · December 14, 2016, 11:52:55 PM

I think I backrouted Christmas Cross - not sure. I didn't use the Blocker. "Ship trip to the caves" is a fairly nice Taxing-like level, although I would wonder if it's worth reducing the number of Builders from 10 to 5. Here are my solutions anyway (using 5 Builders, 2 Bashers and saving 100% on "Ship trip to the caves").

Crane · December 15, 2016, 03:35:50 AM

I've got ten levels so far (I haven't picked out the levels from BulletRide's NXP file yet, but I want to, because "Christmas Cavern" is absolutely gorgeous) and made an NXP file. Ideally I want to make a standalone Flexi executable of it.

Oh, namida, there's a bug with NeoLemmix. It doesn't seem to honour custom skill icons (I put in the Christmas ones, but it still draws the regular ones)