Level records

[guest]

Oh phooey, I've just managed to solve Oblivion getting 100% in without using a single blocker.  But the solution is so pendatic compared to what I was originally blabbing about.

I'm afraid I'll need to retract "After the Rainstorm", at least for the moment.  Well, actually I don't really need to, but still, I want some time to rethink.  Maybe later tonight.

[guest]

I don't think it's possible to beat it without blockers by going under. I've been trying it... every time there's a mass of lemmings that sneaks by before the bridge is complete, and it always pans out the same, even with minor variations. Unless you had something else in mind...

Well, originally I did have something else in mind (sort of), but I just discovered the more pedantic idea going under works quite fine, provided you do something crucial of course.  As for what that is, I'll leave it to you to exercise your problem solving skills.

You identified the problem, what are all the possible solutions?  Especially now that you heard what I said about blockers.

[Conway]

Wow! I've just finished 'The Long Trek to Freedom', and it was a lot of fun! I had 10:52 remaining and I saved 197 lemmings. It seems that there are a LOT of possible solutions. I wonder what the quickest possible solution is. ::

[guest]

Ok, I've made some minor changes to my "After the Rainstorm" level and have deemed it finalized and ready for release.  E-mail guestlevels@yahoo.com or post here if anyone's interested.  E-mail same address if you have any questions, concerns etc. about this level and the earlier "This Level Requires No Skill".

On an aside, I finally solved Oblivion the intended way.  The skillset distribution and the, well, strange terrain setup more or less give away what was intended after some experimentation with other stuff that doesn't work.  What actually tripped me up was, believe it or not, dealing with the trap.  Silly me.  Anyway, neat level, good job Steaver for coming up with not just the idea but an almost successful way to make it work.

[namida]

Congratulations. I believe you are the first to solve it without help.

Now go solve the harder Oblivion levels.

[guest]

Congratulations. I believe you are the first to solve it without help.

Now go solve the harder Oblivion levels.

Thanks.  Actually as I've stated on the Cheapo level pack thread, I've solved them all by now.

Ah, I guess you mean solving them using the oblivion tricks.  Eh, maybe some other time, you do realize it can get a little tedious to have to give individual attention to so many lemmings just to get them to stay still, right?   So I think I'll just be happy with doing things my alternative (but fully legal) ways for now.  

I like "Castle" the best of them all.  In fact the oblivion thing there was far less interesting (especially now that the trick is known) then the puzzle of working out the rest of the level piece by piece.  It's a good thing I didn't really need to go through the tedium of using anywhere close to 40 blockers, as it turned out.  (Oh, and that 1-pixel dent on the wall on the left sure was a nice twist.)

Anyhow, thanks for the levels!  

[guest]

Being the dinosaur that I am when it comes to WWW stuff, I finally discovered that Yahoo has this "Yahoo Geocities" thing.  So I finally found a solution to distributing my levels.

The two I've mentioned ["This Level Requires No Skill" and "After the Rainstorm"] can now be downloaded through this following excruciatingly awful webpage:  http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/lemmings/

More levels to come in the near future, particularly levels that are a little more mainstream than these two.

(note: you need the ability to open zip files to get the levels)

[Proxima]

Does Adam's level actually use that 39 minutes though? I know he often puts big things(such as high level size or long time limits) just for the sake of doing so. The UC7 level, Absolute Ultimate Challenge, actually requires all but about 30 seconds of the time as far as I'm aware.

Sorry....... I've passed AUC with more than 10 minutes left. I don't know any more which of yours and Adam's actually requires most time to pass.

[Proxima]

Damn, my last post here seems to have got deleted.......

Anyway, I 100%ed Absolute Ultimate Challenge with 11:30 left (26:15 used) and The Long Trek to Freedom with more than 20 minutes left (aargh, I really can't remember the exact time! and I was so careful to make it as minimal as I could!)

In both levels the solution can be made quicker by not going for 100% -- in AUC by only a couple of minutes, in LTF by at least 5 minutes, I would think. So AUC is definitely the level that holds the record for most time actually required.

[Isu]

Heh, I created a level with a time limit of 99:99, but only a minute or so of that is actually needed so I guess that excludes it. The level is supposed to seem like a malfunction in the game (Like lemmings binary) and it hasn't been released properly yet. It's called Lemmings Hexadecimal and it isn't easy  

[Conway]

The main problem seems to be containing the crowd without using a builder. It'll take some thought . . .

[guest]

Heh, I created a level with a time limit of 99:99

Neat level.  Incidentally, what happens if you make the time limit 100:100 or maybe even 255:255?

[Proxima]

Reasonable guess: same as when the time limit is 99:99, the seconds count down to 0 and then the next minute starts from 59 as usual. Numbers above 99 are shown as just their last two digits (as when you have more than 99 of a skill.)

[Adam]

I've done another big level. If you want it PM me. Ahribar and myself are trying to figure out the time limit it is possible in. I hope that it beats the current record. It also looks better than my LTF.

EDIT You can download it here

[guest]

I was going to try out the level, and then I saw how much building I'd have to do just to get up to the exit from the bottom  X_X, at which point I immediately lose interest.  

...Other than that, nice level.