What skills can't you live without?

Started by Clam, September 13, 2009, 04:00:30 AM

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ccexplore

Here's a no-basher solution for Taxing 17.  I even got it save 100% to help with minimac's latest challenge topic.

Some preliminary testing also suggests that no-builder might be plausible, but it'll take a little more time for me to work it out for real.

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It is possible to gain a walkable height of 9 pixels via the following skills: basher, bomber, miner, climber, bomber.  Use this in two places, and then for each place, make up for rest of needed height via other means.

ccexplore

http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=170.msg11695#msg11695">Quote from: ccexplore on 2011-10-23 11:37:45
Some preliminary testing also suggests that no-builder might be plausible

Confirmed!  So Taxing 17 down to none finally.

Clam

Fun 28 improved to 4 builders. Sadly, 100% doesn't seem likely, since the key builder-saving move involves using a basher or miner on a bridge in progress, and either way it looks like that lemming is toast (literally http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/tongue.gif" alt=":P" title="Tongue" class="smiley" />) due to the lava below.

It is possible, with better timing, to make the miner glitch-cross the gap into the pillar, but that leaves a gap in the bridge, which presents its own problems. But still, that's probably the only hope of 100% here.

ccexplore

http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=170.msg11737#msg11737">Quote from: Clam Spammer on 2011-10-27 20:57:49
Fun 28 improved to 4 builders. Sadly, 100% doesn't seem likely, since the key builder-saving move involves using a basher or miner on a bridge in progress, and either way it looks like that lemming is toast (literally http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/tongue.gif" alt=":P" title="Tongue" class="smiley" />) due to the lava below.

It is possible, with better timing, to make the miner glitch-cross the gap into the pillar, but that leaves a gap in the bridge, which presents its own problems. But still, that's probably the only hope of 100% here.

Hmm okay, is it fair then to say at least that 100% is possible (with suitable confirmation from you) with 5 builders then?  Given that the normal "build to exit" needs 6 this would still be an improvement.

Clam

Good point http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" class="smiley" />

And, predictably, http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=562.msg11739#msg11739" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">the answer is yes.

finlay

How do you do Mayhem 21 with 21 floaters?

ccexplore

another of Clam's awesome (and glitch-free in this case) ideas: http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=98.msg1821#msg1821" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=98.msg1821#msg1821

It's also fair to say that there's a bit of optical illusion at work here, as the fall's not really that far away from a safe fall as it might look.

ccexplore

Frost 6 improved to 1 blocker, 4 builders, thanks to a rather straightforward solution found as part of this challenge.  (See http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=654.msg14471#msg14471" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">this post for attached replay.)

namida

To revisit an oldie...

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Tricky
18: 1 bomber, 1 digger

Replay without using the bomber attached. =)
Doesn't acheive 100% (you need both builders to delay the crowd until the fall is safe, thus leaving you with no way to stop the digger), but hey. Still one less skill required. =P
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Proxima

Awesome!!!

I've amended the totals, and added this to "skills needed for max%" as well.

ccexplore

Cool, and a new(?) clever technique for use in custom levels as well. http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/thumbsup.gif" alt=":thumbsup:" title="Thumbs Up" class="smiley" /> I love how there's still something new to learn after so many years.

namida

Not entirely new - the trick (or rather, a very similar one) is used in the intended solution to "A Perfect Nightmare" from LP DOS. However, there's also a backroute, somewhat negating it. xD
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LemSteven

I found another improvement (and another example of challenge threads feeding off of each other)  http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" class="smiley" />

Wicked 17: 4 builders.

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The first lemming builds as soon as he lands, and the second climbs and builds up ahead, such that he lands on the platform above the right exit.  Meanwhile the third and fourth lemmings build such that they reach the post on the right, but don't turn around.  Three lemmings will reach the post before the bridge is done, so they all climb up.  If the rightmost bridge is placed properly, none of the climbers will fall short of the platform above the exit.  One final blocker turns everyone around by the exit.

ccexplore

Yep, cross-pollination from other challenges has lead me to improve Havoc 13 down to 2 builders via sliding.

Luis

I startled doing this challenge with those 36 levels from the PSP version. I need to update the Lemmix version of Dig Down, Bash Across, for it to be more similar to the real one. There's a chain that you can dig down to reach the bottom without basher. You can already do that but in a different and longer way. I just wanted to let everyone know why it's been updated yet again. At first it wasn't needed if you're playing the level normally but for this challenge, it's necessary. I tried reading posts to understand how the challenge works.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee91/Luis2_06/untitled_zps32cb4d74.jpg?t=1391919363" alt="" class="bbc_img" />

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