What skills can't you live without?

Started by Clam, September 13, 2009, 04:00:30 AM

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Proxima

Just spotted another easily filled gap -- Mayhem 26 can be beaten with only bombers, so the number needed can be read off the maximum saved list.

Doesn't apply to the Mac version, of course http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/tongue.gif" alt=":P" title="Tongue" class="smiley" />

Clam

That's a nice theory, but it's not right I'm afraid. Here's a solution with 2 bombers - the max % solution loses 4 lemmings.

Minim

A few more Mayhem here.

9: 7 builders, 5 bashers
10: 10 builders, 1 floater.

Mayhem 14 I hate so much, I'll leave this to someone else.
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namida

There's a glitch route that uses sliding into the steel, then blocker glitches to get the lemmings out on the other side. I would assume this route is the fewest builders. Accurate building removes the need for diggers, and digging through the bridge removes the need for blockers. Therefore, however many builders are needed for that glitch route would be the essential skills.
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Clam

Here's a replay with 4 [edit: gone], but I just realised it's possible with 3...

EDIT: Even better - just 2. http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/laugh.gif" alt=":D" title="Laugh" class="smiley" />

ccexplore

http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=170.msg6810#msg6810">Quote from: LemSteven on 2009-10-27 00:53:13
Wicked 10 <snip>The floaters can be avoided completely using a backroute.  This backroute also only requires eight builders, which I doubt can be improved on.<snip>

I think you forgot something about blockers:

Quote from: Spoiler
steel-canceling
 

So while still a 12-skill solution using the same backroute, you only need 7 builders not 8.

ccexplore

http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=170.msg6933#msg6933">Quote from: Clam Spammer on 2009-10-29 03:46:01
EDIT: Even better - just 2. http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/laugh.gif" alt=":D" title="Laugh" class="smiley" />

Brilliant!

...but you haven't quite pushed your method far enough.  I've gotten it down to just 1 builder.

Because the solution uses http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=34.msg1337#msg1337" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">that digger glitch that doesn't work in Lemmix replays, the attached replay stops working at the point where the compressed crowd approaches the right end of the bowl.  I've included a screenshot showing the result of applying the glitch, and another screenshot showing the final result after all the remaining block+dig actions.

Pooty

http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=170.msg6930#msg6930">Quote from: minimac on 2009-10-29 01:22:19
[Mayhem] 10: 10 builders, 1 floater.

I've reduced the number of builders to 6, so at the moment, it's 6 Builders & 1 Floater.
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LemSteven

http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=170.msg6930#msg6930">Quote from: minimac on 2009-10-29 01:22:19
[Mayhem] 9: 7 builders, 5 bashers

I've got the minimum number of bashers down to 2.  Now to see if any improvements are possible on the builders...

EDIT: Yes!  Minimum builders is now down to 5, glitch-free.  So for Mayhem 9 we now have 5 builders & 2 bashers.

Clam

http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=170.msg6930#msg6930">Quote from: minimac on 2009-10-29 01:22:19
[Mayhem] 10: 10 builders, 1 floater.

I've reduced the number of builders to 6, so at the moment, it's 6 Builders & 1 Floater.

Make that 5 builders. http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/smiley.gif" alt=":)" title="Smiley" class="smiley" />


http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=170.msg6942#msg6942">Quote from: LemSteven on 2009-10-29 12:41:23
http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=170.msg6930#msg6930">Quote from: minimac on 2009-10-29 01:22:19
[Mayhem] 9: 7 builders, 5 bashers

I've got the minimum number of bashers down to 2.  Now to see if any improvements are possible on the builders...

EDIT: Yes!  Minimum builders is now down to 5, glitch-free.  So for Mayhem 9 we now have 5 builders & 2 bashers.

Possible with 1 basher.

Clam

Improvements to Blitz:

1: 4 builders. This is just the standard solution. (All but the first 3 poles are safe to fall from)
2: 9 builders and 1 digger.
Spoiler
Dig a pit under the trapdoor and release the crowd with a basher
5: 6 builders thanks to a steel glitch, replay attached
8: 2 builders and 1 basher (not 2)
9: 8 builders, replay attached
10: 2 builders
12: 1 bomber, 1 digger (this level has no builders, so I have no idea where the score of "6 builders" came from)
13: 8 builders
15: 9 climbers, 1 floater, 1 bomber, 1 basher (see attached replay)

Clam

I'm really itching to get this finished now.  http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/laugh.gif" alt=":D" title="Laugh" class="smiley" />

As I mentioned earlier, both levels of Xmas 91 are improvable, to "none" and 1 builder, respectively. I got Xmas 92 level 3 down to 7 builders as well. Replays for these three are attached. But...

http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=170.msg6234#msg6234">Quote from: minimac on 2009-10-11 10:10:06
Xmas 92
1: 1 basher
2: None
3: 10 builders, 1 floater
4: 1 climber, 9 builders, 3 diggers.

I can't find any way to do level 4 without using both climbers.


Only 6 levels to go and we'll have the whole set. Still to do:

Taxing 28
Mayhem 1, 18, 19, 29, 30.

namida

Mayhem 18  can be done with only builders, so it's simply a matter of minimizing those. I'll give it a go now.
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namida

Done with 11 builders, but I'm pretty sure a few more steel glitches could lower it further. Replay attached.

Mayhem 19 can be done without climbers, and 3 bombers is the minimum. The only question is fewest builders, which is however many is needed to reach the absolute lowest point you can get the bombers to, plus one to cover the gap on the left - most likely 5, maybe 6.
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Clam

I did a "least builders" run on this level in http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=12.msg1172#msg1172" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">the challenge thread. I ended up using 8. I don't know if it's possible to do better with sliding, but given the abundance of steel and fairly high percentage requirement, I doubt it.

I still have the replay - I don't remember if I ever uploaded it. (EDIT: attached)