The level design game!

Started by Clam, September 03, 2009, 07:32:32 AM

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Clam

Well that's embarassing.  http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/embarrassed.gif" alt=":-[" title="Embarrassed" class="smiley" /> At any rate, it was time for a new challenge.

Here's version 2.

geoo

Found yet another backroute to your level. http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/tongue.gif" alt=":P" title="Tongue" class="smiley" />

Anyway, I guess it's time for the next challenge, so below is the level I designed for my challenge.
The second one is a slight adjustment to make the level require 7/8; seems somewhat backroute-prone though.

chaos_defrost

I finally got Lemmix working so I might actually be able to make real levels for these instead of horrible Paint images.

And maybe I'll make a full new level pack. If I can come up with 10 good ideas for levels  http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" class="smiley" />
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namida

With all the glitches that have been found recently, I'm sure you'll have no trouble making a new pack. http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/tongue.gif" alt=":P" title="Tongue" class="smiley" />
My projects
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3D Lemmings: Loap (engine) | L3DEdit (level / graphics editor) | L3DUtils (replay / etc utility) | Lemmings Plus 3D (level pack)
Non-Lemmings: Commander Keen: Galaxy Reimagined (a Commander Keen fangame)

Clam

Found yet another backroute to your level. http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/tongue.gif" alt=":P" title="Tongue" class="smiley" />

Well this sucks.

Good job finding that though. I guess it would be enough to just extend that steel piece?

Minim

OK. New challenge everyone! http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/smiley.gif" alt=":)" title="Smiley" class="smiley" />

Try and make a level with these rules:

* A digger must fall through the bomber's crater. If the digger tries to get all the way through the floor the level would be failed.
* There must only be one exit.
* Also, this must be an 80-lemming level with one lost.
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Yawg

http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=161.msg5387#msg5387">Quote from: minimac on 2009-09-22 10:14:21
OK. New challenge everyone! http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/smiley.gif" alt=":)" title="Smiley" class="smiley" />

Try and make a level with these rules:

* A digger must fall through the bomber's crater. If the digger tries to get all the way through the floor the level would be failed.
* There must only be one exit.
* Also, this must be an 80-lemming level with one lost.

Could you explain the 1st condition again? Does the lemming have to dig through a bombers crater or dig and then fall? I don't understand.
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Minim

Could you explain the 1st condition again? Does the lemming have to dig through a bombers crater or dig and then fall? I don't understand.

It's dig and then fall through the crater.
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Clam

At long last, I have thought of another challenge for this game http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/smiley.gif" alt=":)" title="Smiley" class="smiley" />

Here is my solution to the current challenge.

Minim

Looks: Not bad in general, but too dark so I'll have to add pieces for my own benefit.

Play: The level is Impossible! http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/XD.gif" alt=":XD:" title="XD" class="smiley" /> So I moved the whole terrain one pixel to the left to make it work. Anyway, nice level.
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Clam

That's made for Custom Lemmings mode (as all my levels are http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" class="smiley" />). I just remembered that CustLemm drops your lemmings slightly further to the right - which makes quite a difference http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/XD.gif" alt=":XD:" title="XD" class="smiley" />

I'm guessing by your reaction that the level is OK other than this? If that's the case then I'll post my new challenge shortly.

Clam

Here's a challenge that's tailor-made for blockers. http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" class="smiley" />

  • One entrance
  • 50 lemmings, 5 to be saved (10%)
  • 10 blockers, and no other skills available
  • Any solution must use at least 3 blockers (just like the classic level)
  • And here's the kicker - It must be impossible to save more than 5 lemmings.

And before you go getting any smart ideas...

  • No traps or water
  • No nuke (this includes "counterexample" solutions - I will not consider the challenge failed as a result of a nuke-related backroute)
  • No blocking through walls (same deal here as with the nuke)
  • You must not use the time limit to limit the number of lemmings that can be saved (i.e. treat it as if there is unlimited time available)

geoo

I assume blocking through walls means pushing lemmings through a wall using a blocker. Otherwise my level could be considered requiring 'blocking through a ceiling'.

There's still namida's challenge open which got omitted as minimac posted a challenge without solving the previous one. I suggest to use it when the next 'open floor' occurs.

(In case my level doesn't comply with the specified rules, ignore the following.)

I think this one is very tough, at least it was very tough for me to make a level for it:
Create a 1-of-each-skill level with exactly 1 entrance which complies with the following rules:
  • There may be no successful solution using 6 or less skills for it
  • For any 7 of the skills, there must be a successful solution (thus 8 different solutions of that kind, each leaving out 1 of the skills) to the level
  • However there may be no 7-skill solution that saves more than the required percentage
  • There must be a solution saving more than the required percentage (which uses all 8 skills)

ccexplore

Looks like geoo beat me to it, but here's my attempt anyway at Clam's challenge.  (Attached zip includes the LVL, the replay, and a screenshot.)

I'm not 100% sure whether it really needs 3 blockers.  If there's a 2-blocker solution to my level, it should still be obvious how the level could be modified to enforce the 3-blocker minimum.

Clam

I assume blocking through walls means pushing lemmings through a wall using a blocker. Otherwise my level could be considered requiring 'blocking through a ceiling'.

Yeah, I meant pushing lemmings through a wall.

Both levels are acceptable as far as I can tell. http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/thumbsup.gif" alt=":thumbsup:" title="Thumbs Up" class="smiley" />.