Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge

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namida

August 28, 2009, 09:39:59 AM Last Edit: April 06, 2020, 10:02:04 AM by Minim
This is the same as the Minimum Skills topic, except with one difference: You're now trying to save the maximum %, instead of just the requirement. This means for levels where 100% is possible, it's minimum skills to save 100%, and those where it isn't, the maximum known possible %.


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|Rating |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Total | (Old) |
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|Fun    |  1 10  3 11  3  2  2  3  3  3  3  5  3  5  9  9  4  5  6 11  3  7  5  3  4  5  5 10 12  2   157 |  120  |
|Tricky |  4  5  8  9  7  8 12 15  9 14  9  9 12 12  3  6  2  3  5  7  9 10 24  7 13  3 10  4  5  8   252 |  184  |
|Taxing |  9  8  9 13 12  4  8  8  3  8 12 10 10 22 11 19  6 12  5  7  7  5 15  6  7 12 12 16  8  7   291 |  242  |
|Mayhem | 28 18  4  4 13  9 13  9 13 29  9  5  6 17 14  2 11 18 21  7 28 14 16  3 12 17  3  7 21 25   396 |  320  |
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|Tame   |  2  1  2  1  2  1  3  2  2  1  2  2  3  3  2  2  1  2  4  2                                  40 |   39  |
|Crazy  |  8  5  2  5  8  8  6 13  5 10  1  8  5  9  4  7  8  6  8 13                                 139 |  130  |
|Wild   |  4 12 10 10  9  3  7 21  0  8  8 11  9 10 10  5  6 12 10  4                                 169 |  144  |
|Wicked |  4 14  5 21  4 12  6  9 21 13 11 11 16  6 16  3  6  9  8  8                                 204 |  153  |
|Havoc  | 12 15  6  3  7  3 20 10 21 11 14  9 11 11 16 11 11 15  9 11                                 232 |  190  |
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|Xmas 91|  9 11                                                                                        20 |   17  |
|Xmas 92|  1  1 17 14                                                                                  33 |   33  |
|Flurry |  4  3  1  2  1  2  2 10  4 10  3  3  2  4  1  7                                              59 |   54  |
|Blitz  | 14 11  1  2  9  1  7  3 20  3 10  2 13  2 18  4                                             120 |  111  |
|Frost  |  5  3  6  2  2  5 13  1  3  5  3  6  1  7  5  6                                              73 |   63  |
|Hail   |  5  4 25  4 19  0 14  8 10  6  7  6  6 20  3 11                                             148 |  142  |
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|Rating |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Total | (Old) |
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Minim

#1
August 28, 2009, 11:10:51 AM
You need to fill the ones which must be solved 100%. I'll give you the levels but I won't fill the skills:
Tricky: 2, 19, 26
Taxing: 3, 8-11, 21-22, 30
Mayhem: 3-4, 6, 11-13, 16, 20-21, 24, 27-28.
Crazy: 2, 4-7, 9, 16.
Wild: 4, 6-9, 16-17.
Wicked: 2-3, 5.
Havoc: 3-6, 9, 11-12, 14, 19.
Xmas '91: 4.
Xmas '92: 3-4.
Frost: 1, 5, 9-11, 13.
Hail: 1, 7-16
Flurry: 1, 8, 13, 15
Blitz: 2-4, 6, 8, 10-11, 14.
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namida

#2
August 28, 2009, 11:56:17 AM
http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=153.msg3797#msg3797">Quote from: minimac94 on 2009-08-28 05:10:51
You need to fill the ones which must be solved 100%. I'll give you the levels but I won't fill the skills:
Tricky: 2, 19, 26
Taxing: 3, 8-11, 21-22, 30
Mayhem: 3-4, 6, 11-13, 16, 20-21, 24, 27-28.
Crazy: 2, 4-7, 9, 16.
Wild: 4, 6-9, 16-17.
Wicked: 2-3, 5.
Havoc: 3-6, 9, 11-12, 14, 19.
Xmas '91: 4.
Xmas '92: 3-4.
Frost: 1, 5, 9-11, 13.
Hail: 1, 7-16
Flurry: 1, 8, 13, 15
Blitz: 2-4, 6, 8, 10-11, 14.

Please double-check your lists. At the very least, Taxing 22 and Mayhem 4 do not require 100%.
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ccexplore

#3
August 28, 2009, 12:41:43 PM
http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=153.msg3801#msg3801">Quote from: namida on 2009-08-28 05:56:17
Please double-check your lists. At the very least, Taxing 22 and Mayhem 4 do not require 100%.

minimac94 clearly got his list from the Lemmings Encyclopedia which is based off of the Amiga version, where those 2 levels do require 100%.

Minim

#4
August 28, 2009, 02:55:25 PM
http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=153.msg3801#msg3801">Quote from: namida on 2009-08-28 05:56:17
Please double-check your lists. At the very least, Taxing 22 and Mayhem 4 do not require 100%.

Sorry, I didn't know Taxing 22 wasn't 100%. Mayhem 4 I was looking at the level solutions.
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Clam

#5
August 28, 2009, 10:23:23 PM
You can also copy over the numbers for any level where no known solution saves more than the required percentage. (Which, of course, includes 100% levels.) Also there are some levels where you don't have to use any extra skills to control the lemmings, and all the skills you use are for creating a path to the exit. This means you can copy over all of Tame, except level 7 where the 2-skill solution leaves some lemmings in the pit on the left.

ccexplore

#6
August 29, 2009, 01:10:28 AM Last Edit: November 30, 2019, 12:48:06 PM by ccexplore
Here are a couple of improvements to your list for Fun:

Fun 11: 3
Fun 17 (and Taxing 6): 4 [this is the 100% solution found for Taxing 6, so no replay attached]
Fun 25 and Mayhem 4: 4

I'm doing them in slightly random order, so this doesn't mean there aren't more for Fun.

[edit: silly me, Mayhem 4 can be done with 4 skills too. :-[ I've replaced my Fun 25 solution with the one from Mayhem 4.]

[edit 11/30/2019: re-attached missing replays caused by forum migration side effects.]

ccexplore

#7
August 29, 2009, 04:32:49 AM Last Edit: November 30, 2019, 12:49:05 PM by ccexplore
Here's Fun 19 100% with 6 skills.

[edit 11/30/2019: re-attached missing replay caused by forum migration side effects]

namida

#8
August 29, 2009, 08:44:03 AM
While not too impressive, here's Fun 29 100% with 14 skills.
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Clam

#9
August 29, 2009, 11:15:19 AM
Fun 15 and Tricky 3 can both be completed with 100% using 9 skills.

ccexplore

#10
August 29, 2009, 12:05:29 PM Last Edit: November 30, 2019, 12:49:35 PM by ccexplore
Fun 21: 3 skills
Fun 23: 5 skills
Fun 27 and Taxing 22: 5 skills

21 and 23 are pretty much what you'd expect, you've probably seen the various crowd control techniques dozens of times during, say, the "one worker lemming" challenge thread.  So unless you are in a very skeptical or curious mood for some reason, feel free to skip those replays. :P

[edit 11/30/2019: re-attached missing replays due to forum migration side effects.]

namida

#11
August 29, 2009, 12:48:37 PM
I had similar ideas on both, but couldn't get them to work on either.

The Fun 27/Taxing 22 one, on the other hand, is plain impressive.
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namida

#12
August 29, 2009, 03:07:28 PM
I did a few in Tricky.  The only one I think is replay worthy (and even this one isn't that great) is Tricky 12, 100% in 15 skills.

EDIT: And 13, done in 13 skills.
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Pooty

#13
August 29, 2009, 04:15:10 PM
I managed to get Tricky 12 done in 11 skills.
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100% on 110/120 levels (92%). Other levels [Lemmings lost]:
Fun 03 [3], 06 [2], 18 [5]   
Taxing 19 [5], 27 [1], 28 [3]		Tricky 15 [5], 17 [2]
Mayhem 19 [7], 26 [10]

Minim

#14
August 29, 2009, 04:23:37 PM
Well done. You've beaten my attempt at 101 skills. http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" class="smiley" />
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