Lix LemForum, feedback by Forestidia86

[ccexplore]

Good job!

I also didn't realize you solved one of my other levels (Won't Get Fooled Again) a few months back.  Both solutions you attached for that level are accepted.  Quick comments:

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Your second replay (ending in 165031) I think exactly matched my replay.  Originally I wanted to enforce having to use the batter for the lix to get encased in the cube, but soon found out that is basically not enforceable due to the natural delay between landing and resume walking.  I was also worried that with variable spawn interval removed, it might become too hard for the player to create the setup needed.  (The irony is that by design, I did set up the level and spawn interval to allow the timing to work out for that second-replay solution, something I did from day one well before variable spawn interval was even discussed for removal.  But it always nags me that it is unfair to expect the player to discover that, and when variable spawn interval got removed it seems to potentially take away a lot of freedom for the player to create a favorable setup.)  The fact that you worked out the other replay, even if by accident, gives me some comfort that there's still enough freedom for the player to work out a favorable setup.  (Good thing too that I left the save requirement intentionally looser.)  It's also a good sign that you solved this before Brickout, as I think Brickout is a far better level anyway despite its history of backroutes.  Looking forward to see what you come up with for that level.

[Forestidia86]

Thanks for the feedback. Have solved Brickout as well.

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I have 2 skills left and there is one pecularity that the lix treat a brick as built although it's still in the making animation. Else it looks rather clean.

[ccexplore]

Sadly that's a backroute, it's a little too straightforward to accept as an alternate solution for a level in Hopeless.

Attached is an attempt at fixing the level.  So the backroute saga continues...

Regarding one of your comments:

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In Lemmings, the builder's animation consists of the lemming first laying down the build brick and then stepping up onto it.  At the moment (frame) the build brick is displayed as fully laid down in the animation, the actual terrain pixels are also added to the level.  I would expect a similar principle is at play with Lix's platformer (and builder), though I haven't tested myself frame by frame to see if the terrain pixels are added on or before the frame that shows the "brick" as having been fully placed into position.  From your comment sounds like maybe it's happening well before that expected frame?

[Forestidia86]

To your comment to my comment:

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I looked again and now I see that the brick is just fully laid at the right moment. In this moment the other (clustered) lix is put/teleported on the brick, which is why it looked to me like the brick had effect without being laid.

[Simon]

I'll happily merge a Brickout fix into 0.9.30 whenever that releases, it will release in 2019. I'll pick the newest mutually-agreed-on Brickout from this thread.

-- Simon

[ccexplore]

Based on not seeing another solution reported quickly for nearly 2 weeks now, looks like the backroute fix has done its job perhaps (fingers crossed...)?  Anyway, you still have around 15 more days before 2019 is done.  Until another backroute is found before year's end, feel free to take the version attached several posts above as the fix to merge.

[Forestidia86]

I think I backrouted Love is Over, at least I don't use all of the skills.

[geoo]

This is pretty much intended. There are minor variations on how you can set everything up.

I just (re?)-watched your solution to Las Ranas, and this is a bit of a backroute. The miner cancelling trick you use there is pretty powerful. I attached a version of the level with a tiny terrain change that should fix this backroute.

[Forestidia86]

Thanks for checking.

Love is Over

Seems like there are a lot of red herrings in the level then, but solution is nice.

Las Ranas

I made a thread about the trick since it seemed hackish to me, the frog has a narrow trigger area.

[Forestidia86]

Have another solution for Brickout as well, but it is so tight that it could be a backroute.

[mobius]

I've solved "The Lix Lies Down on Broadway". Not sure if it's intended since skills left and saved all in a lose-1 level.

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I used a very particular trick to be able to use only two stairs to turn the crowd.

impressive! I'd say this is harder than the intended solution. I don't plan to change anything.