June 2016 Level Collaboration - Backroute Testing

[IchoTolot]

Alright, I am done with my part

As this was already a finished level in my opinion after Minim's turn and could easily be on it's own, I allowed myself to totally "rework" the second part of the solution with the main goal to fuse the upper and lower part and set up some timing for the new ending part I created.

As for the skillset:

- removed the digger for a blocker which will be collected via a pick-up
- builders:   2 ---> 6
- bashers:   3 ---> 5
- platformers: 2 -> 3
- miners: 3 --> 2 (+ 1 via pick up)
- cloners: 2 --> 3 (+ 1 via pick up)

I removed that slime trap from the top part, which I think needs some redrawing or so as my first reaction was simply: "Wait, this is a trap! It looks EXACTLY like the other slime!"
At least a little indicator would be nice there.

The title + music is fine with me. I was considering  to throw another tack into the discussion to have a little choice there, but I think I will keep most of my tracks mostly secret for now for Reunion 2

Hope you like my changes    This version could also use some testing for backroutes! + I think this would make a nice challenging level by now

[Wafflem]

Whoa! This is definitely a Lemmings Reunion-style level!

After Nepster's contribution, I think we're pretty much done with this collaboration.

We'll add this to the NeoLemmix Community Pack after Nepster contributes, perhaps once we clean the level of major backroutes.

[Nepster]

This version could also use some testing for backroutes! + I think this would make a nice challenging level by now

Due to several backroutes, the level wasn't too challenging yet . So I tried my hand at backroute-fixing the level, though (if NepsterLems is any indication) I probably ended up with more backroutes than before . Unfortunately I could not preserve IchoTolot's solution (especially the fusing of the upper and lower part), but only a similar one.

Main changes:
- Removed most of the steel.
- Removed most of the traps.
- Changed the skill set to 1 climber and 3 of each of swimmer, blocker, platformer, builder, basher, miner and cloner.
- Only two pickup-skills now and both of them are builders.
- Lots of small terrain movements to remove backroutes.

I strongly recommend trying to solve the level yourself before watching the replay. (Replay for V1.43, but solvable in the experimental version as well.)

[Wafflem]

Awesome job, everyone!

Alright, now we'll have to test this level for backroutes. We will use Nepster's replay as the intended solution (but I haven't seen it yet).

[IchoTolot]

I've got a backroute       1 cloner was used just for the save req.

I would change sth with the intended way:

Spoiler

The timing in the middle/last part seems quite a bit too random for me + it resulted in my backroute. I suggest find a way around this.

Remove 2 blockers + swimmers from the skillset as they aren't used.

+ maybe 1 cloner if my backroute cannot be removed.

[Nepster]

Here is a backroute-fix and an improved intended solution. The changes were discussed yesterday in IRC.

Regarding IchoTolot's spoiler:

Spoiler

What is the reason why you want to remove two swimmers and two blockers? Does removing skills, just because they are not used in the intended solution, really improve a level?

[IchoTolot]

Answer to Spoiler:

Spoiler

They "might" be used unintentionally. Leaving them in doesn't bring an advantage either. If you are going for sth like 3 of everything except for climbers, I am not convinced that this is desirable.
After Reunion I slowly went away from giving extra skills in levels that arent just "work your way through", also leaving away trolling bombers. I would not call this level "work your way through" either ---> trying to enforce the intended solution with all tools that are at our disposal and cutting skills falls in there

[Wafflem]

New question to all:

Shall we have this level submitted to roundthewheel for streaming?

[Colorful Arty]

Sure! I'm sure he'll love it!

[mobius]

I"d like to see that [since I missed this entirely ]

[Flopsy]

It was sent to him 2 days ago by me.

I sent him all the details of who worked on it and in what order and how the level was worked on and what the guidelines were.

I already know he has 2 of Gigalem's submissions left over from the last stream so hopefully this is the 3rd level he has for next level submission stream unless anyone else has sent him a level.

[Wafflem]

It looks like there has been a major lack of forum activity and IRC activity lately these past three days, so I thought I'd bring this up again.

If there are no more plans to have this level changed, I will have this submitted to the NeoLemmix Community Pack. I will wait until July 23 at 12:25PM EST for more discussion of this level such as backroute finding. If all is good or there is no more discussion until this time, the level will be submitted, and there will be no more changes to it.

Extra special thanks to Flopsy, Colorful Arty, Minim, IchoTolot and Nepster for their participation in this collaboration! Also extra special thanks to Gronkling for the Slime Castle tileset, and roundthewheel for playing this level as part of his Lemmings Stream.