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Started by Luis, September 28, 2010, 10:43:53 PM

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DoubleU

http://www.lemmingsforums.com/index.php?topic=390.msg11779#msg11779">Quote from: Clam Spammer on 2011-10-31 01:49:18
That's the beauty of level designing!  Lemmings are "incredible contortionists", as the manual says, which forces the level design to learn to "say" exactly what he means.  According to Mike Dailly's webpage level designer Dave Jones had a lot of trouble with this, and a lot of feedback from his colleagues.
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"KEEP ON TRUCKING" was likely meant to use all its blockers, but if you stretch your builders you can save three blockers.
I don't know why they don't just use steel to block the way to the exit, instead you get a bunch of crystals that you can just bash through. Though maybe in this case, they weren't good enough at the game to complete the level by that route (which is conceivable, the game was still fairly new then). "HIGHLAND FLING" is a worse example, you can just bash through the wall at the start, yet the intention seems to be to build and block around it. And worse still is the Holiday level http://tle.vaarties.nl/holiday1994/solutions/amiga/blizzard/6/" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">"A Single Lemming", which is so badly backrouted that it's hard to even imagine what the intended solution might be.
If you ask me, part of the Crazy rating was making things not 100% obvious, thus they had to find a way to do it without steel.  As for Blizzard 6, Holiday Lemmings was meant to be easy and not as painful as ONML or later levels of original Lemmings.  Why shouldn't it be that you have to bash from the far side?  You can try instead bashing from the near side, or digging in, but neither of those seem to work.

finlay

you can dig/bash from the near side comme ça. It's not a particularly difficult solution but i'll give you a replay anyway (i'm just pleased that i finally managed to get lemmix working)

DoubleU

Can you describe it for me?  I don't have Lemmix and I don't feel like going to the trouble of installing it at the moment.

finlay

if you dig on the left in one of the dimples in the terrain, only one lemming will climb out of the pit on the right (is this the "single lemming" of the title?), and you can simply get him to build to turn back around into the pit – then bash when your digger is about halfway down and nobody will die.

Minim

I also noticed on the PSP version of lemmings that the "Feel the heat" level has a major backroute. The flamer traps won't burn the lemmings and say you set a climber out. If you left him there he will fall through unharmed and head straight to the exit. This makes it probably the easiest level in the world. http://www.lemmingsforums.com/Smileys/lemmings/tongue.gif" alt=":P" title="Tongue" class="smiley" />
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Luis

Someone found a backroute in Taxing 27. The video is old, so you probably already know about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN0RUikPjpQ#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">Lemmings Taxing-27 97% Solution (lost only 3)

It's possible to beat it like that in the PSP too. I lost 5, since I used the second and third Lemmings as bombers to make sure I make the terrain low enough to get pass the ceiling.
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Luis

Was that a glitch in 2:30? He turned a Lemming around with a miner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd_dI9D2tKU" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd_dI9D2tKU
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Proxima

He's playing the SNES version, which I don't know much about, but certainly in the Genesis vesrion, Lemmings can be turned round by assigning miner when they're standing above one-way wall that points against them. Three levels use this in the intended solution -- "Everyone turn left", "Everyone turn left (Part Two)" and "Just a Minute (Part Three)".

Luis

I tried it on PSP and the one way arrow won't let you use the miner, but you can still save 100 with builders.
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