Level Design Contest #29 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)

[kaywhyn]

@Icho

Yea, you see? I knew one of you would prove me wrong Well, I think I'm out of options now, and so as much as I hate to, for V19 the diggers, jumpers, and miner are now pickups, and in addition the pillar near the exit is now much taller. I'm sure I could still get away with less or no pickups, but at this point I'm not taking any chances. It's pretty much the start that's mostly been wrong now, but maybe this change will now force the correct approach. This level's already been through a lot of backroute hell, and even with a major reworking/overhaul it still proves to be very problematic, though maybe not to the extreme degree like before

[IchoTolot]

As the update phase as closed now, I hope I am at least a bit closer now.

Anyway, I will record my solutions up in the following days then.

[kaywhyn]

@Icho

Yea, it's not intended, but surprisingly it's quite close to what I had in mind such that your solution I deem close enough to be acceptable anyway I've attached my solution so you can compare

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Finally yes I see the correct method for dealing with the lone zombie at the top via freeing him with a laser so that you can safely dig away the wooden pillar What is different is that because of the way you did the lasering you didn't need those jumpers to more effectively keep your distance from the zombie. Nice find! And yea, finally the start with the platforming and building is correct, with the stacker different from mine in that I use the final Lemming from the entrance to stack and contain the crowd and hence I isolated my two workers differently. And of course mining to reduce the fall and make the trip to the exit survivable is intended.

I think I eventually realized that there might be more effective ways than to build over the basher tunnel at the top, bash, and then laser through the rope net to get over the top. Indeed, your solution showed me just how much more effective than mine is in that area.

Same thing with using a basher to destroy the stack instead of a platformer to free the crowd, I somehow knew the unintended way via the former would happen. That's fine, again the solution overall is close enough that I consider it acceptable and not a major backroute like in all those previous versions.

Over the last few days, I was playing with my level in my head and kept running into situations where the player can do things differently and hence I have come to the conclusion that it's not really possible to completely enforce my intended solution. Indeed, I could even make your solution the new intended one by releasing one final update and cull all those extra skills, but hey, I at least didn't completely despair and went down fighting for as long as I could to eliminate as much of the glaring backroutes as was possible It was bound to be one of those unpatchable levels anyway, given how very complicated I made the solution to my R2.

Anyway, thanks for all the resolves and I hope it wasn't too annoying with the constant updates I'm sorry if it was.

Anyway, I will record my solutions up in the following days then.

Great, looking forward to them! I felt bad that I was responsible for the delay in you getting your videos recorded

[IchoTolot]

Alright here are my videos and attached are my up-to-date replays again.

Part 1 (Lix): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h1D7xsy6SU
Part 2 (NL): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k0z76NAhpg
Part 3 (My own entries): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cN70EezZ10

[kaywhyn]

And finally the video covering my levels and showing off my intended solutions:

Part 5 (my levels) - https://youtu.be/1WnMiPnCULQ

Also I've reattached my replays and the intended solutions to my levels