Lemmings Forums Level Contest #14 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)

[IchoTolot]

I've made a video about the updated levels and my current attempt to Arty's R2 level which hopefully will give you all a second wind of new ideas for this.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkS9opY48Ls&feature=youtu.be

[Colorful Arty]

At this point, as much as I would love to see how long it takes people to solve my level without help, I think most people have given up on solving it. So, I have decided to post a few hints to get people thinking in the right direction. None of these hints spoil the solution, but are merely there to help guide your thought process a bit to help you find the solution on your own.

Hint 1:

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The level is not a fiddle-fest. There are one or two precise assignments, but the rest is not very precise.

Hint 2:

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The hint is in the title. Find the meaning of the title, and that is the first step in the right direction.

Hint 3:

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A good strategy for finding the solution is to try to backroute the level. If you see even the potential for a backroute, do whatever you can to make it work. Best case, you find the intended solution, and worse case, I patch it out, making the intended way a bit more clear in the update.

[joshescue18]

I solved Nessy's levels.

[Nessy]

Thanks joshescue18 for the replays!

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Your solution to my Rule 1 level is perfectly acceptable. Nice work

Your solution to my Rule 2 level is 100% intended. Well done

[joshescue18]

I solved Crane's levels.

[Crane]

Good job. Your rule 1 solution used a slightly unexpected variation with one of the Cloners, but it's perfectly acceptable, and you still use all of the tools.

[Crane]

Backroute for "Guardians of the Hero's Shrine" - I didn't use the Blocker:

[joshescue18]

I solved both Flopsy's levels.

[Crane]

So I'm still trying to solve The Possimpible - I'm trying to work out the meaning of the title other than swapping the first and second syllables of the word "impossible" (but not an actual anagram due to an extra P).  So far I've worked out the following:

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If you let the right lemming initially turn instead of bash, you can build under the small circular recess and provide a platform for the lemming on the left if they mine through the pillar (after walking up into the small nook).  This might also be the clue behind the way the level is structured, forcing the basher to leave a lip of terrain, but it being impossible to do if you want the left lemming to build.  Delaying the basher this way lets the rightmost lemming build.  I'm not certain of the benefit yet though.

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It is theoretically possible to get the non-climber up the right side of the level with just 4 builders, a basher, a miner and either a walker or another builder, but this doesn't include the tools used to get to the climber's platform on the bottom right or to the left-facing one-way wall in such a way that the non-climber can get there, or extra builders or walkers to ensure a lemming doesn't walk the wrong way.  If you bash into this wall at the right point, and use the walker to stop them, they leave a nook in which they can build partly into the vertical bars to the right of this wall. If you can get the climber to be on the platform beneath the exit facing left, they can mine from above, and then the gap bridged with another builder. The remaining 2 builders are then used to cross the vertical bars and then the final small gap where the climber would normally emerge.

I have yet to find a configuration to make this work without running out of builders first.

[joshescue18]

I have completed bulletride's levels.

[Crane]

My solution to "Mystic Cave Lemmings" - it kind of got more obvious after you patched Colorful Arty's solution.  I would ponder about opening up that alternative solution since it itself is somewhat hard to find (I nearly got it on the version that Colorful Arty played, but couldn't quite get the precision with the Platformer and Basher).  Also the final Basher/Walker combo is extremely precise to the point of being a little unfair.

[Flopsy]

Arty was complaining about how precise his alternate solution had to be so I decided to make it more obvious that you shouldn't be doing it that way. I would have used Steel instead of One Way Arrows to achieve this but it's not allowed, I can use steel after the contest though.

[IchoTolot]

Just a quick reminder that the update phase has closed!

After the playing phase ends there will be a small gap between it and the update phase due to a little easter break, but soon after the voting phase will continue as planned.