A reason behind putting {saved minus required} and {lems alive} next to each other: You compare these counts to see how many you can lose. {Lemmings in hatch} is unrelated, and should go to the side.

Don't use red for the completely normal state (level not yet won) that you see 95 % of the time.

The negative count has always been questionable UI; we did it because it saved space and because it uncluttered the panel. It makes sense in theory, too: It's a debt. saved/required was nicer, but it needed 4 numbers. History: Clam proposed in 2015 to show the save requirement during play.

It's conceivable to write {lemmings in hatch} onto the hatch instead of into the panel. Reason: When you need this number, you're looking near the hatch anyway. Unsure.

The NL panel comes from the archaic design of Lemmings 1's panel, which hid the save requirement. NL panel's main value is nostalgia.

-- Simon

I do agree with Dominator_101 here : display required only with positive red number. Turn it blue or green once it reaches 0, then display "+"extra_saved before it if it goes over the requirement.

As for the order of the displays I dont really know how to explain. It would just make more sense to me to have a decreasing sequence at the beginning, like for instance :

Total=100  --  Still_in_hatch=80 -- To_be_saved=98

This may be just me, and is not important at all actually.

Quote from: WillLem on February 09, 2026, 04:38:24 AMWhat about once it reaches 0 and lems are still entering the hatch?

This is one of the problems with the negative saved display actually: once it reaches 0, the positive number thereafter becomes somewhat meaningless. If it reads "7", for example, what that actually means is "the save requirement + 7".

One option for this would be to display extra saves as '+X'. This could work with both negative and non negative req count really, but for the case of using a positive req counting down adding '+' in front after saving enough helps differentiate it. A plus in and of itself also kinda denotes 'extra' a lot of times, so it's indicating they're bonus as well. And it doesn't take up any more space than the minus already does.

I've been wanting to dive into custom levels for a while but wasn't sure where the community was at these days. Seeing NeoLemmix and Lix side-by-side makes it much easier to choose where to start.

Uploaded V1 of the RetroLemmini version of GeoffLems, converted to .rlv and with exits/entrances fixed where necessary. The pack now uses the Amiga music bundled with RL so no need to download additional music.

V1.4 Update

All levels have been converted to .rlv and are fully compatible with RetroLemmini 2.7 and later.

Get the latest version of the pack here.

Should be do-able. I'll certainly look into it.

Quote from: Guigui on February 08, 2026, 01:58:45 PMWhy not just putting the required number as a positive number next to the flag, and decrease it as player saves some.

What about once it reaches 0 and lems are still entering the hatch?

This is one of the problems with the negative saved display actually: once it reaches 0, the positive number thereafter becomes somewhat meaningless. If it reads "7", for example, what that actually means is "the save requirement + 7".

One thing that could make sense is this:

Display the positive "to be saved" number whilst the requirement has not been met. Count down as lems are saved.
Once 0 is reached, switch to displaying the total saved (change colour as well). Count up as lems are saved.

The negative display could do a similar thing, although it would actually be exactly the same but with a "-" symbol, so could probably just be retired altogether.

Quote from: Guigui on February 08, 2026, 01:58:45 PMAlso a thing that disturbs my brain is that the "in hatch" number is displayed before the "total" number. The other way around would make more sense to me.

Why?

Hatch count is the total lems to begin with, before any have spawned. If we read left to right, then, this number should absolutely be at the start of the display, should it not?

Just a little update! The level pack is more than half way done and the levels are coming along quite nicely. I am thankful for the testers and I'm preparing to send out the next demo to them soon. I'm hoping to get a few more levels into it before doing so.

With all being said, I am staring to anticipate a March or April release if things keep going as they've been. Also, I am trying to make my levels less open ended.

Thanks to kaywhyn, Armani and JawaJuice for the testing! Thank you to Kevin for the encouragement and motivation to keep going. Finally, thank you for reading/keeping up with the scoop, and please, keep on playing Lemmings!

I like that NeoLemmix uses Master System music after a successful or failed level. I wonder if RetroLemmini would use them too.