Nice to hear from you, JawaJuice Really glad you enjoyed the pack. You sure had some fancy solutions A lot of your solutions weren't exactly intended, but they usually involved some precise timing that I'm not expecting most players to shoot for. If that expectation turns out to be foolish, then I'll actually try to fix it. Your only true backroutes were Sour 5 and Sour 6. I have absolutely no idea what I'm going to do with Sour 5, but I have ideas for Sour 6.

Guigui, I really appreciate your feedback on individual levels, so thank you so much for that.

My responses

Sweet 2: Yeah, this level is definitely the most gimmick-y level of the pack, essentially just making sure the player internalizes the fact that they can lose half their lemmings, since you almost never are forced to lose so many.

Sweet 3: Saving the Basher is perfectly acceptable; in fact it better prepares you for the intended solution to this level's repeat.

Sweet 4: Indeed, the Builders are the only real skill crunch here, nicely done!

Sweet 6: The solution is intended, and the resemblance to the mobile Lemmings game is indeed intentional, nicely spotted! I play the game occasionally and thought this level would be a fun nod to it.

Sour 2: Not quite intended, the finicky timing is not at all necessary The easiest thing to do is compress the crowd after building across the first two gaps (taking advantage of being able to lose 10 lemmings) then find a way to separate one lemming from the bunch after getting past the traps. Not sure how or if I'm gonna enforce that though.

Sour 3: Glad you really liked this one! I think it's the level I'm most proud of. I think I did a good job recreating the feel of an actual ONML level with this one... aside from it having a slow RR and being taller than 160 px, both of which are required to make the level work at all.

Sour 4: Oops! I made the save requirement too lenient. You still got the core of the solution though. Shouldn't be too hard to fix.

Sour 5: I think I'm just gonna have to leave this level open-ended.

Sour 6: Indeed another backroute; I think my idea for JawaJuice's backroute will stop yours as well.

Didn't expect Sweet 5 to be so tricky, whoops

Here's a hint for you Guigui

Sweet 5 Hint

You can't get over the tall column right before the goal with the skills available, so you'll have to go through it If you're still stumped let me know

Really happy to hear you enjoyed the other levels! You are very welcome to post your replays here I already found a backroute in Sour 5 right after posting the pack (because of course I did) and will likely leave it as is, so I'm hoping you found the same backroute

After a few months of intermittent work, my first ever fully original level pack is complete.

It's very small, consisting of only 12 levels (with only 8 unique layouts) split across 2 ranks. It also features a barebones "special" level (with an accompanying special style containing the necessary objects), music from various Lemmings versions, and an additional music track composed by me.

It should be a relatively quick and easy completion for most players, but hopefully it's enjoyable nonetheless.


Sweet 3 "Long road to nowhere" / Sour 2


Sweet 5 / Sour 4 "The Ball Pit"

Below are multiple downloads of the level pack. ALL of them contain the levels themselves and the special style, so if you want the music, you only need to download ONE of these ZIP files. Regardless of which one you choose, it must be unzipped into the main NeoLemmix folder.

This download contains no custom music.
SweetNSour_CoreOnly.zip (123 KiB)

This download contains the two music tracks that are NOT alternate versions of default music.
SweetNSour_SpecialMusicOnly.zip (9.45 MiB)

This download contains all the music tracks.
SweetNSour_FullMusic.zip (21.4 MiB)

Have fun!

Played through the whole pack in a few days (didn't have the energy to record, sorry!) and just wanted to say these were some lovely levels, even if I may have janked my way through a couple of them.

Your level construction reminds me of Sunsoft's levels for the Super Nintendo and Mega Drive/Genesis, which, if you're not sure, is absolutely a compliment.

A conversion of the first ten levels of each tribe in The Lemmings Chronicles to NeoLemmix, complete with reworked solutions and brand new titles.




The level pack is attached to this post, and the music can be downloaded here. The music used is CD-ROM soundtrack of The Lemmings Chronicles, with the Shadow and Egyptian tribes each getting an additional music track from different versions of Lemmings 2 so that each tribe has 3 tracks. Enjoy!

The CD-ROM image is available on archive.org along with a pre-packaged playable version. The only way to view the intro sequence as intended is to mount the disc image as its own drive within DOSBox with the IMGMOUNT command. For example:
IMGMOUNT D "C:\the full path to the CUE/ISO file" -t iso

At that point, you do not install the game to the C drive in DOSBox, but you play it directly from the disc image, making sure to run either L3CD.EXE or L3CDGUS.EXE depending on whether you prefer SoundBlaster or Gravis UltraSound audio for the intro (and whether you have GUS enabled in your config file.)

Unfortunately, I can't seem to get the intro music or game sound effects working no matter what my DOSBox audio set up is, no matter which executable I run, and no matter which fork I use. Will update when I figure out a way to get that working. I have not tested the pre-packaged version yet; perhaps it works just fine.

I won't delete the thread then; thank you both for the support I'm tidying up the original demo pack and it should be released in the next few days.

Bumping this topic to let everyone know the pack is cancelled. If it's acceptable to do so, I want to post the demo version as a standalone pack, making sure to change some text and whatnot. Once that's done, this topic will be deleted.

V1.4 has been approved on RHDN! https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7748/

This version includes the classic "Let's go!" speech sample that we all know and love, without requiring any increase in the size of the ROM! I'm really proud of that, honestly; it took a clever trick to make work. There's some slight bug fixes and QoL improvements as well! The PAL-optimized patch has been updated appropriately as well and is still included in the .ZIP file.

Nice to see this game get brought up here. I have a LOT of things to say about it, a lot of mixed feelings, a lot of things to like, a lot of things to not like (in fact, I'm planning to make a video essay about it like the J2ME games now that it's available on the Microsoft Store... for some reason). I won't wear you all out with every thought I have, but I'm happy to share some of what keeps me playing (and my biggest specific gripes), as someone who's been playing it on-and-off for a couple years by now.

I don't mind the Energy system too much; it is an artificial limit to playtime, sure, but I like how it incentivizes solving levels efficiently even without fixed skill counts. It opens up more options for solving a given level, allowing the player to reason out which one(s) will minimize energy use or minimize the risk of lemming death. Also, the game introduces new skills (yes really!) the more you play. Sadly only 2 out of 5 of them are available without having to pay, but they are mostly interesting and have different energy costs to consider. The most surprising thing about them to me is that NONE of them originate from L1 or are boring variations of L1 skills! We have tile-based equivalents of L2 skills in a modern Lemmings game!

The "Challenge" levels introduced each season are a fun way to break up a monotonous world; the goal is not to solve them efficiently but simply to get all your Lemmings out alive, as using skills does not cost you energy in these levels. Sometimes you do get a pathetically easy one, but most of the time you have to really think through your route and/or be very careful when navigating. You only get a limited number of attempts at playing these levels--not in the sense that there is an absolute maximum number of chances throughout a season, just that chances are hard to come by--so the pressure is on. Even more fun than the Challenge levels though are the Mayhem levels, which are previous seasons' Challenge levels with different additional rules. Some rules are annoying (random portals, gross) but among these are a simple time limit and a STRICT energy cap (independent of your main-game energy) which feels VERY classic and I quite like it. The energy capped levels are some of the most fun times I have playing this game.

All ads are indeed optional now, which is super nice. Most of the prompts you see between are only asking you to watch an ad for extra Energy or Lemmings, which I'm fine with. Admittedly, I'm not above watching an extra ad here and there to extend my playtime or to get through an annoying world faster, especially considering most (but not all!) levels are procedurally generated...

Speaking of which, here's my biggest problem with the game as it is. It's not THAT most levels are procedurally generated that's the problem; it's a necessity to make a game structured in this way work. What bothers me is how the few hand-crafted levels are distributed across the game. Almost always, you KNOW when you get one, as they tend to have unique terrain layouts and are sometimes even genuinely really clever puzzles. These really serve to break up the monotony of some of the worlds; it's always a pleasant surprise to see one. The problem is that when you start the game, you barely get any of them for a long time. And I mean a LONG time.

The first 4 worlds of the game each have a fair amount of hand-crafted levels. They're pretty unremarkable, but they're designed to ease the player in, because that's just good game design. After that, there are a few tutorial levels to show off a couple new mechanics and a couple "hand-crafted" levels that only exist because the procedurally generated levels they replaced were accidentally impossible to complete; they're procedurally generated levels with, like, one or two troublesome blocks removed. Aside from those unremarkable exceptions, the player goes through. NINETY. FOUR. WORLDS. Before seeing a SINGLE hand-crafted level. That is several months of your life assuming you're playing pretty frequently. That is a LOT of time for people to decide that the game is boring and never touch it again. I've managed to make it out of that drought, and from what I've heard the newest worlds they've added have TONS of well-made handcrafted levels. That's good that they're focusing more on those now, but it will take me LITERAL YEARS to get there. For most people, that time investment just isn't worth it.

Regardless, I do have fun with the game and think there's a lot to like about it. It's definitely flawed in a lot of ways, but it's not soulless.

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Quote from: GigaLem on October 10, 2023, 03:02:17 AM
I noticed Super Nintendo Lemmings isn't on the list

Yeah, I didn't feel like including soundpacks from versions that exclusively (or almost exclusively) just reuse the original samples at different pitches and audio fidelity. If there's interest in that, however, I'll go back and make those

Wouldn't hurt to have, even if you can't have the ascending task bar

There's also some sound differences of the PC Engine version

I never replied to this, but I did in fact take your suggestion into consideration! So... I now have sound effects from every official version of the game in this folder, with only a couple exceptions:

• Toshiba J-3100 - as of today, it only exists as a collector's item and is unplayable by the general public.
• Game Gear - it technically has different sounds than the Master System version, but they are just glitched versions of the same sounds, and recording the Master System sounds was annoying enough.
• Windows - it would be pointless
• Any version of the game whose sounds are literally exactly identical to another version's (e.g. Acorn Archimedes, PS2, etc.)

Quote from: GigaLem on October 10, 2023, 03:02:17 AM
I noticed Super Nintendo Lemmings isn't on the list

Yeah, I didn't feel like including soundpacks from versions that exclusively (or almost exclusively) just reuse the original samples at different pitches and audio fidelity. If there's interest in that, however, I'll go back and make those

I went and recorded all the sound effects from (almost) every version of Lemmings that does NOT just reuse the original samples (plus a couple extra games). I've given them all NL-compatible filenames and put them in a big collection to download. This collection includes sounds from:

• Atari ST Lemmings
• Atari ST ONML
• MS-DOS Lemmings (PC Speaker, Tandy 3-Voice, and AdLib)
• ZX Spectrum Lemmings
• PC-98 Lemmings (PC Speaker and PC-9801-26K)
• Amstrad CPC Lemmings
• NES Lemmings
• NES Lemmings Improvement
• SMS Lemmings
• Genesis Lemmings
• Game Boy Lemmings
• SAM Coupé Lemmings
• Commodore 64 Lemmings
• GBC Lemmings (the sound effects in the sound test are copied almost verbatim from the Windows version, but they are used very differently in game; as such, there are two different packs for this version, one matching the sounds to their Windows counterparts, and the other reflecting how they are used in game)
• PSP Lemmings

You'll also notice a folder named "_dummy" which just exists to more-or-less "turn off" some sound effects. For example, if you wanted to play with Atari ST L1 sounds (which don't include ANY equivalent of the "Let's go!" sound and the like) and don't wish to hear the Amiga Lemmings voice samples mixed together with them, you could copy the dummy folder first to silence all sound effects, then copy the ST L1 folder. The dummy folder also contains the default "success" and "failure" jingles, since a couple soundpacks include them and you can simply turn them off in the audio settings in-game.

I can almost guarantee there's several sounds in here you'll have never heard before, so play around with them to see if you like any. Even try mixing and matching them if you want, though there are NO guarantees that the volume mixing between different soundpacks is any good at all. Enjoy!

EDIT 1/19/2024: I have updated the folder to include the sample-based versions as well!

Even though the emulator download link is dead (and I'm genuinely not sure where I found it recently, sorry about that), I would like to add a few things on top of this based on my own experimentation:

The PC-98 version actually has its own fast-forward feature, so if you find the vanilla version of the emulator, you aren't at a disadvantage The reason this fast forward feature is so obscure (aside from the manual being both Japanese and unscanned) is probably that the fast forward key (that WOULD be one key to the right of P - the pause key - on an actual PC-98 keyboard) gets mapped to END in Neko Project II (which, depending on your keyboard, you may have to hold down Fn to even use!), and there is unfortunately no way to change that without using other software.

If you wish to use the in-game fast forward feature, x32 for the CPU multiplier isn't the best choice. Much like the Windows version, fast forward speed is, to an extent anyway, dependent on CPU speed. x8 seems to offer the best balance, and it is the most accurate to models sold around 1991. Levels with large amounts of water or large OWWs may result in some slowdown, but the PC-98 version features the same performance compromises as the MS-DOS version (removal of decorative water and limiting all levels to 80 lemmings) so slowdown is relatively uncommon, certainly less common than in any 100 lemming version. Cranking it higher will mitigate slowdown and increase fast-forward speed, especially when many lemmings are in the level/onscreen. Setting the multiplier lower than x6 (which would correspond to lower-end models and older models at the time) is not recommended.

As for the colors, there is a setting called "Real palettes adjust"--frustratingly buried in a dialog box--that can fix the colors. Go to Screen -> Screen option... and the dialog box will appear. Select the Timing tab and slide "Real palettes adjust" to -31, and the colors will be completely correct.

One last thing: by default, the few voice samples in the game are downright ear-piercing and extremely unpleasant to hear. This is only because the emulator is not set up for accurate playback of samples through the PC Speaker or the PSG by default. This time, the setting is buried in the .INI file... which, by the way, only exists after opening the executable at least once. Search for the setting BEEP_PCM, which is set to 0 by default. Set it to 3, and the emulator will now use a different strategy for playing samples through the beeper and PSG, and the samples sound MUCH less bad as a result.

V1.3 has been approved on RHDN! https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7748/

Included in the .ZIP file is a PAL-targeted patch for those who wish to play at the slower physics rate (probably most of you) without the music being significantly affected!