Does anyone know anything about the Lemmings sample disk that was bundled with the Media Vision Thunder Board sound card? I'm curious if there was a custom version with better sound effects for that sound card.

Images of the 5.25" disk can be seen at https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/media-vision-thunder-board-floppy-5-1829660132

Quote from: Leo on August 23, 2015, 11:04:51 AM
I suppose, although CD music plays on the both games, but it's the same one on the both games. Tunes are just from 'Lemmings', not from 'ONM Lemmings'. Isn't it?

Your right, the CD music is the Lemmings music, the 'ONM Lemmings' specific music was not included.

My Lemmings games finally arrived, and I can confirm the 'Oh! No! More Lemmings & Lemmings' double pack in the 'Fun to Learn' game pack offers CD music for both games

Quote from: ccexplore on August 07, 2015, 01:20:29 AM
To be somewhat fair, I'm guessing it is probably an anomaly even for DOS games to have so many releases of the same game with all these  oddball nuances in terms of different installers, different versions of the game EXE supporting slightly different sound/video options, etc.  I'm guessing most "normal" DOS games just have one installer and one version of game files and that's that.  It is kinda inevitable that many releases are bound to "get it wrong" when there are many variations to deal with instead of just one.

Yes, that is the part I will never understand, why not just re-use the Lemmings data files from the original disk release, for all the re-releases?

Lemming 2: The Tribes (with bonus Lemmings) only uses 4.25MB, with Lemmings 2 only using 3.47MB. I expect they could have easily just added Lemmings 2 to the existing CD release of the 'Lemmings & Oh No! More Lemmings' double pack. A triple Lemmings pack, offering CD Audio would have offered much better value.

Quote from: ccexplore on August 07, 2015, 01:20:29 AMI believe all known CD-audio versions do not offer the Adlib option, at least based on what I've heard here previously.  If adlib.dat is still included in the game files, there's a decent chance some simple hacking of the game EXE can re-enable it (ie. always do adlib rather than always do CD-audio), like I've done in the past with CustLemm.exe.  Of course, it seems somewhat pointless here when the end result would be more or less the same as playing a floppy release.

The ADLIB.DAT file is included, but there doesn't seem to be any way to enable Adlib support, via the command line at least.

I attached the executable files, if you were curious:
LEMMINGS.EXE uses a CD check, offering setup options when started.
VGALEMMI.EXE runs fine from hard disk, offering EGA/VGA support and all four machine type options.

My CD release of Lemmings 2: The Tribes (with bonus Lemmings) arrived, and the Lemmings version is worse than I expected:
-The Lemmings installer is literally from the 'Lemmings & Oh No! More Lemmings' double pack, it actually tries to install files from 'Oh No! More Lemmings' which don't exist. They didn't even bother to update the installer for differences in files included.
-The Lemmings files can be manually copied over, but the music is limited to CD Audio as previously reported. There seems to be no way to enable Adlib music at all.

Quote from: Lomax on July 25, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
Lemmings - GBC
Problem: Horrible soundtrack, lots of animations removed.

They are changes made to GBC port, rather than technical flaws in a certain release.

This thread is specifically for flawed releases, which have technical issues compared to the original release.

I was just wondering what all the differences are, when using the High Performance mode in the MS-DOS version of first Lemmings game.

The obvious difference is the improved color for control interface, but what else is effected when enabling High Performance mode?

I will just wait until my other Lemmings games arrive, hopefully the double pack works out better and includes CD audio.

I thought it would be useful to create a list of flawed releases, after my recent experience:

Lemmings (CD Edition) from GT Interactive in the USA
Problem: Limited VGA only, since the high performance option was removed
Reference: http://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=2202.0

Lemmings - Award Winners: Platinum Edition CD-ROM version in the UK
Problem: Based off version with CD Audio, but lacks the CD audio tracks.
Reference: http://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=1630.0

Lemmings Volume 1-3 (Neon Edition)
Problem: Lemmings seems based off version with CD Audio, but lacks the CD audio tracks.
Reference: http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=32456

Are there any others? there seems to be too many flawed releases around.

It is disappointing most of the CD releases are flawed, as the disks releases have even worse problems (copy protected disks).

I was surprised to notice the Lemmings & Oh No! More Lemmings double pack was recently on eBay, showing different cover art for the CD disc:


So looks like there are at least three releases (1 in Canada, 1 in Europe, 1 in USA) of the Lemmings & Oh No! More Lemmings double pack around, plus any game packs.

Also an earlier message in forums, confirmed the CD release of Lemmings 2: The Tribes didn't offer any CD audio. Even the bonus Lemmings 1 version didn't offer any CD audio.

Quote from: ccexplore on July 22, 2015, 06:04:46 AM
Did it at least have the CD audio tracks like you were looking for?

Unfortunately no CD audio tracks, it is the jewel case re-release of the CD edition shown at http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/lemmings/cover-art

Quote from: ccexplore on July 22, 2015, 06:04:46 AMIf you send over the EXE, maybe I can try and see if anything can be done (I probably won't start though until at least the weekend), although it may well be that the programming has been truly removed.

I think they disabled or ripped out some of the code, as only the video options screen (EGA or VGA) is offered, and not the machine type options screen. If I escape past the video options screen,  the machine type options are listed, before it quits. I attached LEMMINGS.EXE, the file is packed though.

Quote from: ccexplore on July 22, 2015, 06:04:46 AMReally strange, with the copious amount of storage on a CD, there's no good reason anything needs to be removed.  Granted, CGA and Tandy machines are probably out of fashion by then, but still.

Yes, it makes no sense to strip down the game so much, when CD offers so much space. This CD release only contains 536KB of data.

I just got the CD edition of Lemmings, and it seems like the worst version:
CGA support has been removed
Tandy support has been removed
VGA support is more limited
The Lemmings.bat still uses VGALEMMI.EXE instead of LEMMINGS.EXE
The MANUAL.TXT still references files (CGALEMMI.EXE, TGALEMMI.EXE, VGALEMMI.EXE) that don't even exist.

My main issue is the more limited VGA, compared the demo version of first level (21 colors)

To the first level in the full version (15 colors):



Is there any way to get the higher amount of colors, like the demo version?

I'm using the game under DosBox (VGA only mode), and the follow command line for Lemmings:
LEMMINGS.EXE -v -o (full version) / VGALEMMI.EXE -v -o (demo version)

Quote from: ccexplore on July 14, 2015, 06:51:05 PM
Interesting.  Let us know once you received it and is able to confirm it has CD audio.  ~$70 USD is probably a bit much for me especially being effectively forced to buy 4 other games I could care less about.  I imagine you have already tried searching for just the special limited edition double pack but got no hits so far?

I bought the 'Fun to Learn' pack for $40 US, which was not too bad, price wise. I made the mistake of ordering the 'CD-ROM edition' of Lemmings too, before starting this thread too. I will post the results of both game editions, when they arrive.

No signs of the original limited edition double pack on Amazon or eBay, and I have been looking for over a month now.

I ended up ordering the 'Fun to Learn' game pack from Amazon (USA).

The disc from the 'Oh! No! More Lemmings & Lemmings' double pack should be included, judging by cover art. The top of the cover art of the disc seems a close match to the disc art previously shown in this forum too.

That image on DOS Games Network is from the 'Publishers' Pick 10-CD Blue Pack' released by Aztech New Media Corp, there is a list of their game bundles at http://cd.textfiles.com/gpack2/OTH_PROD.TXT

The 'Lemmings and Oh No! More Lemmings CD-ROM' pack from Aztech New Media Corp is different, the cover art is shown at http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL75CABB4561CE61F0

Looks like Canada got the best CD releases, with two different releases from Aztech New Media Corp offering CD audio.

I have been looking worldwide on eBay (and elsewhere) for awhile now, and there has been no sign (even in completed listings) of these Canadian releases at all. The Canadian releases are the very rare ones, which is why I was hoping to find other options.

EDIT: I found the cover art for one of the Publishers Pick collections from Aztech Media on eBay (Germany):


That is the green collection, rather than the Blue collection (which includes Lemmings), but shows the type of cover art to look for:

Thanks for responses so far, it looks like it would be easier to confirm which CD releases definitely have no CD audio.

Can anyone confirm whether any of these CD releases offer CD audio?
Classic Volume 1 with Oh No! More Lemmings ( http://lemnet.tripod.com/english-chronicles/info/compil/index.html )
Fun to Learn with Lemmings & Oh No! More Lemmings ( http://lemnet.tripod.com/english-chronicles/info/compil/index.html )
Gang Busters 'on the streets' Volume 2 with Lemmings & Oh No! More Lemmings ( http://lemnet.tripod.com/english-chronicles/info/compil/index.html )
Lemmings: The CD Edition ( http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/lemmings/cover-art )
Lemmings 2: The Tribes CD edition with bonus Lemmings 1 ( http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/lemmings-2-the-tribes/cover-art )
Oh No! More Games (or Oh No! More Fun) with Lemmings & Oh No! More Lemmings ( http://lemnet.tripod.com/english-chronicles/info/compil/index.html )
PC Playtime with Lemmings ( http://lemnet.tripod.com/english-chronicles/info/compil/index.html )

I'm trying hunt down any MS-DOS release which offered CD audio, so want to be sure what I'm looking for. So far it only seems safe to buy the original CD releases of 'Lemmings & Oh No! More Lemmings' from Aztech New Media Corp or Psygnosis, which are very rare.