Quote from: Proxima on July 12, 2023, 07:28:22 AM
Did you upload the wrong file? This seems to be a zip containing a Lemmix player for the original Lemmings.

No.

See attached!
- Two levels, Level 1 and Level 4.   Play Level 1 first.
- When I first designed Level 4, I was not aware that steel only has 32 pieces, so some parts can be dug through, but hopefully nothing that will help with playing the level in a way not designed.   I realised tonight there is a slightly easier way to play the level.  It is still rather tough though till you work it out...
- Think Level 2 and Level 3 will be new designs.
- LEVEL000.DAT in zip.  Works with CustLems for Windows or DOS.   It's in progress...  So, only has four level slots.  Will give an error after 4.   Sort that out later on....
- Have completed both, so they are doable!  Think will leave them like this...

Made this today...  The level 0101.lvl that is...

My tweaked DOS Demos.
I moved an Xmas v1.9 into the Lemmings v1.9 to compare Hex to see if could edit the German Menu but the data was different.  The exe colours were off (and not all MAIN.DAT are of the same design to v1.9) it played different music, and it wasn't Holiday.  Was like the exe caused something.  Might sample a bit of it...

I used ChatGPT to translate the Menu and then I worked out positions in Notepad and hex edited the exe to change German to English.  Only options were German.  Main is English.  But this Lemmings Demo was a v1.9.  Wanted that one as cheat works and has 4 levels.  So, good size for making a simple game.  32 is too much.  Eventually levels can be built into bigger .dat files...

OhNo! is v1.9 Data Disk or something.  This is diff to standard v1.9, the MAIN.DAT is different.  But also while SLAMRACING works, 0% are saved.  I think the exe must have some switch to change the cheatmode.  Some retail versions have password in the code but it says is incorrect.

Holiday Lemmings 1993/1994 retail have similar exes, only bug is fixed in 1994 with VGA.

LEMMAIN is more a Neo product than a DOS one and I think there is where I was confused.  I wonder how well it would work with DOS if the memory error did not occur.  Don't know why though, so cannot do what it requires.  Kind of given up on building a MAIN.DAT now.  2023 will say 1993 and nod to 1993 music and 2024 will nod to 1994 and 1994 music.   I am not a programmer.  Can do some lame skills, enough to get by, change German text to English, stuff like that.  Currently building a DOSBox archive, but so much work.  Started in 2020.

Attached my levels in your formats.  Are primarily done under LemEdit/DOS, so assuming will play the same.  Four levels.
I think a couple of these are well thought out, but maybe not to a Lemspert.

If I take the original Lemmings Demo (German) and swap the exe for the Holiday Lemmings 1993 exe, the colours change (because Xmas) but interestingly, it also plays new music.  So why is that?   Adlib.dat hasn't changed...

Also with OhNo! SLAMRACING cheat works, but it saves 0% not 100%.  This is a different v1.9 PD.

Oh well, my little project has a 1993 logo.  Is kind of a nod to the past, so does not matter too much.  Would have looked more pro had I been able to change the logo to not have '1993'.  Then future versions would just say "Holiday Lemmings".   Also being able to change the level numbers of would have been fun too.

The tool does seem to read the data and I have a suspicion it may work even, but I get a 'Out of Memory' error and then it stops.  So this might be part of the problem.   As I do not know what the cause of this error is, I cannot try something to fix it.  I wondered if it might be the Windows version, but expect x86 OS would have less memory than x64.

If you feel like working it out, must be possible, let me know.

Thanks...

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Also converted levels for Lemmix v29 and NeoLemmix.  Although removed a bouncing snowman on one level as converted behind the background.  Think it has to be ideally against black and somewhere Lemmings do not walk ideally.

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>and you're just using it wrong
It is possible...

Namida told me no one uses DOS any more...

Quote from: ericderkovits on October 18, 2020, 08:10:59 PM
hey LemmieFanDos, I have all the lemmings dosbox games, If you want I can PM any ones you want. You won't have to set up anything. (Note I'm not allowed to post them per Namida)

All you have to do is just hit "PlayNow" to start to

Here's the list of ones I have
1) Lemmings
2) Lemmings Demo
3) Oh No More Lemmings
4) Oh No More Lemmings Demo
5) Xmas 91
6) Xmas 92
7) Holiday 93
8) Holiday 93 Demo
9) Holiday 94
10) Holiday 94 Demo
11) COVOX
12) Prima Publishing(AKA Companion Disk)
13) Lemming 2 The Tribes
14) Lemming 3 Chronicles(AKA All New World of Lemmings)
15) Lemmings 3D (use 3dutils to start game, then just hit "Run L3D"
16) Lemmings 3D 8 level Demo
17) Lemmings 3D 10 level Demo
18) Lemmings 3D Winterwonderland

01. Are there any old versions on MAINEDIT in existence?  One that could modify the MAIN.DAT of DOS?  v11.1 I cannot get to work.
It may partially be the Out of Memory error.  No idea why?
02. Is there anyone else here that can help me tweak it.  Possibly for a small fee on completion?  I am not profiting from this tho.

Thanks...

Quote from: jkapp76 on July 05, 2022, 03:17:33 PM
I also used Lemedit years ago. Is there any way to convert these?

I worked out a way...

I convert from DAT to LVL (was a really old tool) - This works with Lemmix Player v29 Xmas.
Then another tool to convert to LVL to LVL Xmas (modern tools use a different file number).
Then used NeoLemmix to convert that LVL 9O to NVLX 9O.  However, bouncing snowman was behind graphics.  So, I removed it.

Think I prefer DOS/Lemmix Players v29.  But DOS is best for me.

The Lemmix Players v29 are really good.  9/10.  They pretty much capture the feel of the DOS originals and play well too.

So, no one uses DOS, eh?

From what I can tell, it appears the Out of Memory issue does not matter.  Ripping the demo MAIN.DAT works.
Think Holiday was ripped okay, Xmas not all correct.   But tired and not 100% checked there.
Recompiling as Xmas comes out as garbage, you get some graphics incorrect with Standard.

So might have to give the idea up.  Just have to say 1993 and 1994 for what I am doing.  Just I had hoped the tool would just tweak the logo.

As for NeoLemmix, I don't like it.  I want to play with the DOS stuff and it has the nostalga for me and NeoLemmix has features that are not part of the original game.  Some can be tweaked, it has a buggy splash, confusing retries and the exploders stay still.  The scrolling is faster too, not a bad thing, but it doesn't feel the same as DOS does.  So, I once again, encourage people writing some tools for DOS.

Quote...Still, it's the only tool that ever served that purpose.

Not that I can tell.

Quote from: namida on June 20, 2023, 12:36:16 AM
LemMain doesn't require any particular OS as far as I know, but I can't make guarantees about whether the version still available retains proper support for DOS / Lemmix. Still, it's the only tool that ever served that purpose.

Once again, I encourage you to consider using a modern, supported engine instead.

Obviously there are modern ports, but that isn't the plan.
Is there an archive of old versions of the tool?  All I wish to do is alter the main logo.

P.S. Machine is an i7 with 16 GB RAM.
Quite like to know why.  Is it requiring something specific, like an old OS?
Really annoying...

Failed on 11, failed on 10 (and that has minimal sw).  So perhaps is looking for 7 64 bit something like that?  Seems buggy anyway.

I am trying to make a new MAIN.DAT with Namida's program LEMMAIN but on extracting it stops with Out of Memory.  Bit of a pity.  Want to fiddle with DOS.

Any ideas what to do?  Holding me up!!!

Thanks in advance,
Mole