The challenge is simple! Complete any pack using only Builders & Bashers.
You may edit the skillset for each level with as many Builders & Bashers as you like, but no other skills are allowed. The idea is to
a) Solve the level, obvs
and
b) Minimise the use of Builders & Bashers. Note that the TOTAL figure is what's important here, with solutions which spread the skills as evenly as possible being preferred (i.e. 3 of each is better than 6 of one, even though the latter eliminates one of the skills).
and
c) Save as many lemmings as possible!
Enjoy the challenge! :lemcat:
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Packs played for this challenge (click link to skip to results):
Lemmings (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86945#msg86945) by DMA Design
Oh No! More Lemmings (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86946#msg86946) by DMA Design
Lemminas (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86947#msg86947) by WillLem
GeoffLems (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg87532#msg87532) by Geoffster
Original LemmingsPlease note that the following records have yet to be completed:Levels in blue are of particular interest - replays provided
N.B. Results shown are for Maximum Possible Saved (100% unless noted).
Contributors: WillLem, Proxima, namida, nin10doadict
Fun
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Fun | 1 | Just Dig! | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Fun | 2 | Only Floaters Can Survive This | 12 | 3 | 15 |
Fun | 3 | Tailor Made For Blockers | 10 | 1 | 11 |
Fun | 4 | Now Use Miners And Climbers | 1 | 1 | 2 |
Fun | 5 | You Need Bashers This Time | 0 | 3 | 3 |
Fun | 6 | A Task For Blockers And Bombers | 0 | 2 | 2 |
Fun | 7 | Builders Will Help You Here | 2 | 0 | 2 |
Fun | 8 | Not As Complicated As It Looks | 9 | 1 | 10 |
Fun | 9 | As Long As You Try Your Best | 0 | 3 | 3 |
Fun | 10 | Smile If You Love Lemmings | 2 | 2 | 4 |
Fun | 11 | Keep Your Hair On Mr. Lemming | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Fun | 12 | Patience | 5 | 1 | 6 |
Fun | 13 | We All Fall Down | 12 | 2 | 14 |
Fun | 14 | Origins And Lemmings | 3 | 2 | 5 |
Fun | 15 | Don't Let Your Eyes Deceive You | 6 | 6 | 12 |
Fun | 16 | Don't Do Anything Too Hasty | 17 | 2 | 19 |
Fun | 17 | Easy When You Know How | 4 | 3 | 7 |
Fun | 18 | Let's Block And Blow | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Fun | 19 | Take Good Care Of My Lemmings | 7 | 2 | 9 |
Fun | 20 | We Are Now At LEMCON ONE | 5 | 8 | 13 |
Fun | 21 | You Live And Lem | 1 | 2 | 3 |
Fun | 22 | A Beast Of A Level | 6 | 8 | 14 |
Fun | 23 | I've Lost That Lemming Feeling | 10 | 6 | 16 | Southwest Exit |
Fun | 24 | Konbanwa Lemming San | 4 | 0 | 4 |
Fun | 25 | Lemmings Lemmings Everywhere | 0 | 5 | 5 |
Fun | 26 | Nightmare On Lem Street | 4 | 0 | 4 |
Fun | 27 | Let's Be Careful Out There | 15 | 2 | 17 |
Fun | 28 | If Only They Could Fly | 14 | 10 | 24 |
Fun | 29 | Worra Lorra Lemmings | 61 | 15 | 76 | 79/80 Saved |
Fun | 30 | Lock Up Your Lemmings | 0 | 3 | 3 |
Tricky
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Tricky | 1 | This Should Be A Doddle | 4 | 1 | 5 |
Tricky | 2 | We All Fall Down | 12 | 2 | 14 | Same as Fun 13 |
Tricky | 3 | A Ladder Would Be Handy | 23 | 9 | 32 |
Tricky | 4 | Here's One I Prepared Earlier | 10 | 2 | 12 |
Tricky | 5 | Careless Clicking Costs Lives | 5 | 5 | 10 |
Tricky | 6 | Lemmingology | 7 | 2 | 9 |
Tricky | 7 | Been There, Seen It, Done It | 50 | 16 | 66 |
Tricky | 8 | Lemming Sanctuary In Sight | 12 | 3 | 15 |
Tricky | 9 | They Just Keep On Coming | 12 | 6 | 18 |
Tricky | 10 | There's A Lot Of Them About | 23 | 9 | 32 |
Tricky | 11 | Lemmings In The Attic | 11 | 2 | 13 |
Tricky | 12 | Bitter Lemming | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Tricky | 13 | Lemming Drops | 21 | 4 | 25 |
Tricky | 14 | MENACING!! | 12 | 6 | 18 |
Tricky | 15 | Ozone Friendly Lemmings | 0 | 1 | 1 | Same as Fun 1 |
Tricky | 16 | Luvly Jubly | 0 | 3 | 3 | Same as Fun 5 |
Tricky | 17 | Diet Lemmingaid | 0 | 2 | 2 | Same as Fun 6 |
Tricky | 18 | It's Lemmingentry Watson | 12 | 3 | 15 | Same as Fun 2 |
Tricky | 19 | Postcard From Lemmingland | 2 | 0 | 2 | Same as Fun 7 |
Tricky | 20 | One-Way Digging To Freedom | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Tricky | 21 | All The 6s...... | 5 | 5 | 10 |
Tricky | 22 | Turn Around Young Lemmings! | 9 | 1 | 10 | Same as Fun 8 |
Tricky | 23 | From The Boundary Line | 5 | 1 | 6 | Same as Fun 12 |
Tricky | 24 | Tightrope City | 15 | 0 | 15 |
Tricky | 25 | Cascade | 25 | 9 | 34 |
Tricky | 26 | I Have A Cunning Plan | 0 | 3 | 3 | Same as Fun 9 |
Tricky | 27 | The Island Of The Wicker People | 16 | 4 | 20 |
Tricky | 28 | Lost Something? | 3 | 2 | 5 |
Tricky | 29 | Rainbow Island | 5 | 5 | 10 |
Tricky | 30 | The Crankshaft | 3 | 2 | 5 | Same as Fun 14 |
Taxing
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Taxing | 1 | If At First You Don't Succeed | 6 | 6 | 12 | Same as Fun 15 |
Taxing | 2 | Watch Out, There's Traps About | 14 | 7 | 21 |
Taxing | 3 | Heaven Can Wait (We Hope!!!!) | 17 | 2 | 19 | Same as Fun 16 |
Taxing | 4 | Lend A Helping Hand.... | 32 | 12 | 44 |
Taxing | 5 | The Prison! | 18 | 4 | 22 |
Taxing | 6 | Compression Method 1 | 4 | 3 | 7 | Same as Fun 17 |
Taxing | 7 | Every Lemming For Himself!!! | 10 | 2 | 12 | Same as Tricky 4 |
Taxing | 8 | The Art Gallery | 5 | 5 | 10 | Same as Tricky 5 |
Taxing | 9 | Perseverance | 2 | 2 | 4 | Same as Fun 10 |
Taxing | 10 | Izzie Wizzie Lemmings Get Busy | 7 | 2 | 9 | Same as Tricky 6 |
Taxing | 11 | The Ascending Pillar Scenario | 50 | 16 | 66 | Same as Tricky 7 |
Taxing | 12 | Livin' On The Edge | 11 | 2 | 13 |
Taxing | 13 | Upsidedown World | 15 | 9 | 24 |
Taxing | 14 | Hunt The Nessy.... | 28 | 5 | 33 |
Taxing | 15 | What An AWESOME Level | 10 | 7 | 17 |
Taxing | 16 | Mary Poppins' Land | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Taxing | 17 | X Marks The Spot | 10 | 6 | 16 | Same as Fun 23 |
Taxing | 18 | Tribute To M.C. Escher | NA | NA | NA | Same as Fun 11 |
Taxing | 19 | Bomboozal | NA | NA | NA | Same as Fun 18 |
Taxing | 20 | Walk The Web Rope | 6 | 6 | 12 |
Taxing | 21 | Feel The Heat! | 7 | 2 | 9 |
Taxing | 22 | Come On Over To My Place | 15 | 2 | 17 | Same as Fun 27 |
Taxing | 23 | King Of The Castle | 12 | 3 | 15 | Same as Tricky 8 |
Taxing | 24 | Take A Running Jump..... | 3 | 2 | 5 |
Taxing | 25 | Follow The Leader... | 7 | 2 | 9 | Same as Fun 19 |
Taxing | 26 | Triple Trouble | 26 | 7 | 33 |
Taxing | 27 | Call In The Bomb Squad | 24 | 11 | 35 |
Taxing | 28 | POOR WEE CREATURES! | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Taxing | 29 | How Do I Dig Up The Way? | 26 | 12 | 38 | Same as Tricky 3 |
Taxing | 30 | We All Fall Down | 12 | 2 | 14 | Same as Fun 13 |
Mayhem
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Mayhem | 1 | Steel Works | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Mayhem | 2 | The Boiler Room | 11 | 4 | 15 |
Mayhem | 3 | It's Hero Time! | 4 | 0 | 4 | Same as Fun 24 |
Mayhem | 4 | The Crossroads | 0 | 5 | 5 | Same as Fun 25 |
Mayhem | 5 | Down, Along, Up. In That Order | 14 | 10 | 24 | Same as Fun 28 |
Mayhem | 6 | One Way Or Another | 12 | 6 | 18 | Same as Tricky 9 |
Mayhem | 7 | Poles Apart | 5 | 8 | 13 | Same as Fun 20 |
Mayhem | 8 | Last One Out Is A Rotten Egg! | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Mayhem | 9 | Curse Of The Pharaohs | 61 | 15 | 76 | Same as Fun 29 |
Mayhem | 10 | Pillars Of Hercules | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Mayhem | 11 | We All Fall Down | 12 | 2 | 14 | Same as Fun 13 |
Mayhem | 12 | The Far Side | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Mayhem | 13 | The Great Lemming Caper | 4 | 0 | 4 | Same as Fun 26 |
Mayhem | 14 | Pea Soup | 17 | 1 | 18 |
Mayhem | 15 | The Fast Food Kitchen... | 23 | 9 | 32 | Same as Tricky 10 |
Mayhem | 16 | Just A Minute... | 6 | 4 | 10 |
Mayhem | 17 | Stepping Stones | 20 | 6 | 26 |
Mayhem | 18 | And Then There Were Four.... | 22 | 4 | 26 |
Mayhem | 19 | Time To Get Up! | 11 | 2 | 13 | Same as Tricky 11 |
Mayhem | 20 | No Added Colours Or Lemmings | 2 | 2 | 4 | Same as Fun 4 |
Mayhem | 21 | With A Twist Of Lemming Please | NA | NA | NA | Same as Tricky 12 |
Mayhem | 22 | A Beast II Of A Level | 12 | 9 | 21 |
Mayhem | 23 | Going Up... | 22 | 10 | 32 |
Mayhem | 24 | All Or Nothing | 0 | 3 | 3 | Same as Fun 30 |
Mayhem | 25 | Have A Nice Day! | 21 | 4 | 25 | Same as Tricky 13 |
Mayhem | 26 | The Steel Mines Of Kessel | 1 | 2 | 3 | Same as Fun 21 |
Mayhem | 27 | Just A Minute... (Part Two) | 6 | 4 | 10 |
Mayhem | 28 | Mind The Step..... | 19 | 9 | 28 |
Mayhem | 29 | Save Me | 70 | 44 | 114 |
Mayhem | 30 | Rendezvous At The Mountain | 41 | 20 | 61 | 79/80 Saved |
Oh No! More LemmingsN.B. Results shown are for Maximum Possible Saved (100% unless noted).
Levels in blue are of particular interest - replays provided
Contributors: WillLem, Proxima, nin10doadict
Tame
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Tame | 1 | Down And Out Lemmings | 20 | 4 | 24 | Nuke solution by Proxima - 29/50 Saved |
Tame | 2 | Rent-A-Lemming | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Tame | 3 | Undercover Lemming | 0 | 2 | 2 |
Tame | 4 | Downwardly Mobile Lemmings | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Tame | 5 | Snuggle Up To A Lemming | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Tame | 6 | Intsy-Wintsy... Lemming? | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Tame | 7 | Who's That Lemming? | 1 | 2 | 3 |
Tame | 8 | Dangerzone | 0 | 2 | 2 |
Tame | 9 | And Now This... | 1 | 1 | 2 |
Tame | 10 | New Lemmings On The Block | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Tame | 11 | With Compliments | 0 | 2 | 2 |
Tame | 12 | Citizen Lemming | 0 | 3 | 3 |
Tame | 13 | Thunder-Lemmings Are Go! | 3 | 0 | 3 |
Tame | 14 | Get A Little Extra Help | 1 | 2 | 3 |
Tame | 15 | Not Just A Pretty Lemming | 1 | 1 | 2 |
Tame | 16 | Gone With The Lemming | 1 | 2 | 3 |
Tame | 17 | Honey, I Saved The Lemmings | 0 | 2 | 2 |
Tame | 18 | Lemmings For Presidents! | 0 | 3 | 3 |
Tame | 19 | Lemming Productions Present... | 0 | 3 | 3 |
Tame | 20 | Custom Built For Lemmings | 1 | 1 | 2 |
Crazy
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Crazy | 1 | Quote: "That's A Good Level" | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Crazy | 2 | Dolly Dimple | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Crazy | 3 | Many Lemmings Make Level Work | 24 | 8 | 32 |
Crazy | 4 | Lemming Express | 3 | 1 | 4 |
Crazy | 5 | 24-Hour Lemathon | 6 | 2 | 8 |
Crazy | 6 | The Stack | 5 | 2 | 7 |
Crazy | 7 | And Now, The End Is Near... | 25 | 11 | 36 |
Crazy | 8 | KEEP ON TRUCKING | 7 | 6 | 13 |
Crazy | 9 | On The Antarctic Coast | 3 | 6 | 9 |
Crazy | 10 | ROCKY VI | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Crazy | 11 | No Problemming! | 1 | 0 | 1 | 40/80 Saved |
Crazy | 12 | Lemming Friendly | 4 | 4 | 8 |
Crazy | 13 | It's A Trade-Off | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Crazy | 14 | Time Waits For No Lemming | 21 | 2 | 23 |
Crazy | 15 | Worra Load Of Old Blocks! | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Crazy | 16 | Across The Gap | 5 | 4 | 9 |
Crazy | 17 | DIGGING FOR VICTORY | NA | NA | NA | Impossible due to time limit |
Crazy | 18 | NO PROBLEM | 12 | 8 | 20 |
Crazy | 19 | DON'T PANIC | 3 | 3 | 6 |
Crazy | 20 | Ice Ice Lemming | 17 | 5 | 22 |
Wild
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Wild | 1 | PoP YoR ToP!!! | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Wild | 2 | Lemming Hotel | 8 | 6 | 14 |
Wild | 3 | Lemming Rhythms | 21 | 7 | 28 |
Wild | 4 | Meeting Adjourned | 17 | 3 | 20 |
Wild | 5 | Lemming Head | 7 | 1 | 8 |
Wild | 6 | Just A Quicky | 2 | 3 | 5 |
Wild | 7 | You Take The High Road | 4 | 5 | 9 |
Wild | 8 | It's A Tight Fit! | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - time limit / requires Climbers & Floaters |
Wild | 9 | Ice Station Lemming | 8 | 2 | 10 |
Wild | 10 | Higgledy Piggledy | 11 | 6 | 17 |
Wild | 11 | Mutiny On The Bounty | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Wild | 12 | SNOW JOKE | 8 | 7 | 15 |
Wild | 13 | ONWARD AND UPWARD | 22 | 12 | 34 |
Wild | 14 | ICE SPY | 7 | 6 | 13 |
Wild | 15 | THE SILENCE OF THE LEMMINGS | 52 | 48 | 100 |
Wild | 16 | Take Care, Sweetie | 5 | 2 | 7 |
Wild | 17 | The Chain With No Name | 9 | 11 | 20 |
Wild | 18 | Dr. Lemminggood | 4 | 5 | 9 |
Wild | 19 | Lemmingdelica | 15 | 1 | 16 |
Wild | 20 | Got Anything.... Lemmingy??? | 10 | 1 | 11 |
Wicked
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Wicked | 1 | LeMming ToMato KetchUp fAcilitY | 13 | 7 | 20 |
Wicked | 2 | Inroducing SUPERLEMMING | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Wicked | 3 | This Corrosion | 13 | 6 | 19 |
Wicked | 4 | Oh No! It's The 4TH DIMENSION! | 19 | 7 | 26 |
Wicked | 5 | Chill Out! | 2 | 1 | 3 |
Wicked | 6 | PoP TiL YoU DrOp! | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Wicked | 7 | Last Lemming To Lemmingcentral | 37 | 22 | 59 |
Wicked | 8 | A TOWERING PROBLEM | 1 | 4 | 5 |
Wicked | 9 | How On Earth? | 28 | 4 | 32 |
Wicked | 10 | Temple Of Love | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers/Floaters |
Wicked | 11 | ROCKY ROAD | 6 | 6 | 12 |
Wicked | 12 | Suicidal Tendencies | 18 | 5 | 23 |
Wicked | 13 | Almost Nearly Virtual Reality | 23 | 1 | 24 |
Wicked | 14 | The Lemming Learning Curve | 6 | 3 | 9 |
Wicked | 15 | SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, EGG AND LEMMING | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Wicked | 16 | Five Alive | 9 | 1 | 10 |
Wicked | 17 | Down The Tube | 1 | 2 | 3 |
Wicked | 18 | LoTs moRe wHeRe TheY caMe fRom | 10 | 2 | 12 |
Wicked | 19 | Up, Down Or Round And Round | 6 | 2 | 8 |
Wicked | 20 | The Lemming Funhouse | 4 | 3 | 7 |
Havoc
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Havoc | 1 | Tubular Lemmings | 10 | 6 | 16 |
Havoc | 2 | Be More Than Just A Number | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Havoc | 3 | It's The Price You Have To Pay | 7 | 5 | 12 |
Havoc | 4 | The Race Against Cliches | 1 | 12 | 13 |
Havoc | 5 | There's Madness In The Method | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Havoc | 6 | Now Get Out Of That! | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Havoc | 7 | Creature Discomforts | 13 | 8 | 21 |
Havoc | 8 | Lemming About Town | 9 | 3 | 12 |
Havoc | 9 | AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! | 8 | 1 | 9 |
Havoc | 10 | Flow Control | 10 | 0 | 10 |
Havoc | 11 | Welcome To The Party, Pal! | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Havoc | 12 | It's All A Matter Of Timing (ABCB) | 10 | 0 | 10 |
Havoc | 13 | HIGHLAND FLING | 8 | 4 | 12 |
Havoc | 14 | Synchronized Lemming | 6 | 4 | 10 |
Havoc | 15 | Have An Ice Day | 5 | 4 | 9 |
Havoc | 16 | Scaling The Heights | 18 | 7 | 25 |
Havoc | 17 | Where Lemmings Dare | 10 | 5 | 15 |
Havoc | 18 | Lemmings In A Situation | 24 | 12 | 36 |
Havoc | 19 | Looks A Bit Nippy Out There | 4 | 4 | 8 |
Havoc | 20 | LOok BeFoRe YoU LeAp! | 3 | 4 | 7 |
LemminasPlease note that the following records have yet to be completed:Levels in blue are of particular interest - replays provided
N.B. Results shown are for Maximum Possible Saved (100% unless noted).
Contributors: WillLem, Proxima, nin10doadict
Magical
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Magical | 1 | Welcome The Lemminas | 3 | 3 | 6 |
Magical | 2 | We Like To Dig Too | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Magical | 3 | Mind The Gap... | 10 | 2 | 12 |
Magical | 4 | Lemdon Bridge | 9 | 9 | 18 |
Magical | 5 | Lemmina Loop Prevention Service | 11 | 7 | 18 |
Magical | 6 | Just Keep Swimming | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Swimmers |
Magical | 7 | Lemminas Luv M.C. Escher | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Cloners* |
Magical | 8 | Pyramids of Lem (Under a PepsiCola Sky) | 5 | 8 | 13 |
Magical | 9 | Send Them Soaring! | 40 | 13 | 53 |
Magical | 10 | Just Shimmy! | 7 | 2 | 9 |
Magical | 11 | I'll Go First... | 15 | 6 | 21 |
Magical | 12 | Climbing In The Moonlight | 6 | 0 | 6 |
Magical | 13 | Believe In Yourself! | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Magical | 14 | Lemminas Go Forth | 28 | 15 | 43 |
Magical | 15 | A Jumper Would Be Handy! | 1 | 1 | 2 |
Magical | 16 | Revenge of the Ice Cream Monster | 16 | 15 | 31 | West Exit |
Sensational
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Sensational | 1 | Worra Lorra Lemminas! | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Cloners* |
Sensational | 2 | Dimples | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Sensational | 3 | Backroute To The Future | 14 | 2 | 16 |
Sensational | 4 | Pillars of Venus | 17 | 1 | 18 |
Sensational | 5 | See You On The Other Side | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Climbers |
Sensational | 6 | Hurry! | NA | NA | NA | Impossible due to time limit |
Sensational | 7 | The Melting Block | 6 | 0 | 6 |
Sensational | 8 | The Continuum | 20 | 13 | 33 |
Sensational | 9 | Delaying The Inevitable | 12 | 2 | 14 |
Sensational | 10 | The Strange Boutique | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Cloners* |
Sensational | 11 | The Refrigerator | 18 | 4 | 22 |
Sensational | 12 | Falling Forever | 6 | 2 | 8 |
Sensational | 13 | The Unnecessarily Tall Pillars | 14 | 5 | 19 |
Sensational | 14 | Race To The Top! | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Sensational | 15 | Many Jumpers Would Be Handy! | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Sensational | 16 | Escape From Crystal Mountain | 22 | 13 | 35 |
Tricksy
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Tricksy | 1 | Who's Doing What? | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Tricksy | 2 | Lemmina PepsiCola Research Event | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Tricksy | 3 | The Milkshake Machine | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters/Diggers |
Tricksy | 4 | Konbanwa Lemmina-san | 16 | 7 | 23 |
Tricksy | 5 | Lemmina Drops | 21 | 8 | 29 |
Tricksy | 6 | Day of the Daredevils! Part III | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters & Cloners |
Tricksy | 7 | Easy Peasy Lemmina Squeezy | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Cloners* |
Tricksy | 8 | Stainless Steel Lemminas | 2 | 3 | 5 |
Tricksy | 9 | POOR WEE CREATURETTES | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters & Cloners |
Tricksy | 10 | Down The Rabbit Hole | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Gliders |
Tricksy | 11 | Lemminas Recurring | 6 | 0 | 6 |
Tricksy | 12 | Soda Streams | 17 | 3 | 20 |
Tricksy | 13 | Nessy II | 34 | 20 | 54 |
Tricksy | 14 | No I in Team | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Gliders & Cloners |
Tricksy | 15 | Just a Second... | NA | NA | NA | Impossible due to time limit |
Tricksy | 16 | The Crystal Cobwebs of Mt. Katie | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Pandemonium
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Pandemonium | 1 | Lemmina City Steel Facility | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Cloners* |
Pandemonium | 2 | Milkshake Party | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Pandemonium | 3 | Nightmare on Lem Street III | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Pandemonium | 4 | Lemgate | 3 | 5 | 8 |
Pandemonium | 5 | The Cherry Cola Conundrum | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Stackers |
Pandemonium | 6 | L-PoP | 10 | 21 | 31 | 58/60 Saved |
Pandemonium | 7 | Falling Forever Part II | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Gliders |
Pandemonium | 8 | Staircase to Nowhere III | 173 | 52 | 225 |
Pandemonium | 9 | With a Twist of Lemmina Please | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Pandemonium | 10 | I'll Just Wait Here, Shall I? | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Cloners* |
Pandemonium | 11 | Mary Poppins' Land II | 12 | 2 | 14 |
Pandemonium | 12 | Erm... | 15 | 9 | 24 |
Pandemoniuml | 13 | Constellations II | 34 | 9 | 43 |
Pandemonium | 14 | Save Us | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Stackers |
Pandemonium | 15 | Nothing is Impossible | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Pandemonium | 16 | Rendezvous at the Mountain Part II | 39 | 14 | 53 |
*See this post (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg87510#msg87510) for a Bonus challenge of all the "Requires Cloners" levels.
It should also be noted that the goal is to minimise the total number of skills, not each skill separately. (Results should have a "Total" column.)
Here's Fun 3 with 11 skills (10 builders, 1 basher).
Fun 12 is incorrectly recorded; it's 2 builders, 1 basher for any% and an additional 3 builders for 100%, so 5 and 1 in total.
Quote from: Proxima on November 10, 2020, 11:37:54 AM
It should also be noted that the goal is to minimise the total number of skills, not each skill separately. (Results should have a "Total" column.)
Good shout! I've added a "Total" column. And yes, to clarify: the numbers shown are not "fewest of each skill in any given solution", they are "fewest of each skill in the
same solution" - so the total figure is what's important.
I've updated the OP to reflect this as well.
Thanks also for the updates/corrections, I've updated accordingly :thumbsup:
Yesterday's ONML results added (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86946#msg86946)
Tricky records added (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86945#msg86945). I'm working on Taxing this evening so will have that updated later as well :lemcat:
I think for Fun 23/Taxing 17 it should be necessary to specify whether you took the visible exits on the left or the hidden exit on the right. Based on my playing of the Fun version, I'm guessing you guys took the visible exits route. However, I was able to use 1 less builder. Same number of bashers, but 1 less builder. Shortly after that, I was able to reduce the number of builders, as well as use 1 less basher and hence bring down the total number of skills down to 18. 11 builders, 7 bashers. So, 5 less builders, 1 less basher, and so 6 less skills overall. See my replay.
Spoiler
Takes advantage of the fact that I bashed to the right with the lemming and canceled him midstroke with a builder so that one lemming turns back way before the others while the rest can still continue to the right, and I also bashed away the staircase so that when the lemming builds to seal the gap back to the left he doesn't hit his head very early. Now it might be possible to just use one builder had I positioned the builders better, but I still had to use a second builder to seal the gap completely.
After that, I decided to try for the hidden exit on the right. Here, I got 14 builders, 9 bashers, and so 23 skills total. See my replay. So even though I bested the record in the OP by 1 less total skill, here I reduced the number of builders by 2 (-2), but I used 1 more basher (+1), hence -1 (-2 + 1 = -1) net effect to the total number of skills used. So, it seems that it'll always require way more skills than the left visible exits, especially since I don't think it's possible to get anywhere near the 18 skills total I used for the left exits. So, perhaps it's not necessary to specify which exit you went for in the level, although I still think it's a good idea to and try and improve results just for the exits you went for, like how I drastically improved the result for the left exit with just 18 skills total. Now, can anyone improve my 23 skills total result for the right hidden exit?
Thanks for the contribution kaywhyn, I've checked your replay in for both levels and updated the records accordingly. Nice work!
I've also now posted all initial results for Lemmings (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86945#msg86945). I'm sure a lot of these can be improved upon, and some have yet to be confirmed. I'll do that tomorrow though, too tired to go through the replays now!
Ok, improved the result even more for Fun 23/Taxing 17. Total skills now down to 16 skills, 10 builders, 6 bashers. Same replay, except
Spoiler
Instead of bashing the floor on the right side, build with the first lemming that lands safely across the gap after he walks for a bit to turn him around. Then build to seal the gap. This time, I was able to seal the gap off with just 1 builder instead of needing two builders.
Brilliant stuff Kaywhyn! Records updated :thumbsup:
I guess what this challenge is aiming to establish is the smallest possible combination of skills that can solve every level. It would seem, from the results posted so far (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86945#msg86945), that original Lemmings in its entirety can be solved using only Builders, Bashers, Floaters and Diggers (those levels which have 79/80 saved or that are currently impossible would be both possible and 100%-able with the inclusion of Diggers). It's probable that the same is also true for the Oh No! levels.
Quote from: WillLem on November 13, 2020, 03:51:11 AM
I guess what this challenge is aiming to establish is the smallest possible combination of skills that can solve every level.
Or at least, the smallest combination including builders and bashers, since that was our starting point.
Could all levels be solvable with some combination of 3 skills? Because of splat hatch levels, one would have to be floater or glider; obviously one would have to be constructive and one destructive. But sometimes upward destruction is required (as on "The Boiler Room") and sometimes downward destruction is (as on "The Far Side"). Bombers can't be used, because some levels require 100%.
Next question, then. There are 16 ways to choose one of {floater, glider}, one of {builder, stacker}, one of {basher, fencer} and one of {miner, digger}. Do all 16 choices allow all original levels to be solved? (Not all custom levels will be solvable, because some levels may have a hatch over water and therefore absolutely require swimmers.)
(Platformers can't be chosen as the constructive skill; "Last one out is a rotten egg" shows this.)
Actually... here's a horrible thought. There is
one 3-skill combination that might potentially be able to solve all original levels, but it would be unbearably painful and tedious.
Spoiler
Bombers, stoners, and cloners!
Anyone want to give that a try? :P
Quote from: Proxima on November 13, 2020, 09:41:07 AM
There is one 3-skill combination that might potentially be able to solve all original levels, but it would be unbearably painful and tedious.
Spoiler
Bombers, stoners, and cloners!
Imagine playing
Hunt the Nessy with that challenge!!! :lem-mindblown: :scared:
Added records for Lemminas - Sensational (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86947#msg86947). Most noteworthy in this bunch is Falling Forever, which I didn't think would be possible initially due to its layout and inherent reliance on Floaters. However, it turned out to be possible with a little bit of tweaking!
Please note that I have now updated the challenge rules and the previous records so that any levels which require any other skills to pass are considered impossible for this challenge. This is due to the fact that, whilst the original levels are all possible with either Floaters or Diggers in addition to Bashers and Builders, custom packs (such as Lemminas) are far more likely to rely on new skills such as Gliders, Swimmers and Cloners, which creates more unnecessary nuance to this challenge if other skills are "allowed" purely for the sake of creating a record. Instead, the reasons for a level's impossibility will be noted, so that it's still possible to use these records to determine which skills are "essential" for solving a pack's level maps.
It should also be noted that some levels in custom packs feature pre-assigned skill hatches. It's up for debate as to whether such levels ought to be classed as "possible" for the purposes of this challenge, since they essentially do feature "use" of other skills. However, since these skills are permanent, it could be argued that these levels are "athlete" levels, and therefore not subject to the same rules as levels for regular walkers. Feel free to chip in if you have a view on this, for now I'll keep them as "possible" (if they are indeed possible to solve with only Builders & Bashers in addition to the pre-assigned skills).
ONML - Wild results posted (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86946#msg86946). Most notable here was THE SILENCE OF THE LEMMINGS, clocking in at a whopping 100 skills (52 Builders, 48 Bashers) and only just making the time limit!
Lemminas - Tricksy (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86947#msg86947) and ONML - Wicked (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86946#msg86946) results posted!
Quite a few impossible ones this time, and some gems as well, including my favourite levels of the challenge so far!
Lemminas - Pandemonium (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86947#msg86947) results posted. Another load of impossible ones (including level 15, ironically!), with level 10 I'll Just Wait Here, Shall I? being a particularly disappointing "impossible" level due to having quite an interesting solution - it is possible to create a safe passage for the lems with just Builders & Bashers, but a Cloner is required to meet the save requirement, which is the only thing making it impossible.
I'll likely come back and do the "requires Cloners" levels again at some point; it might be worth doing a separate post just for these levels. Those requiring Diggers, Floaters, Gliders or Stackers are that bit more definitive in their impossibility, due to requiring a skill which affects terrain and/or lemming movement rather than just a cloned lemming to meet the save requirement.
ONML - Havoc results posted (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86946#msg86946).
Pandemonium 8 - Staircase To Nowhere III, clocking in at a colossal 173 Builders and 52 Bashers!!!!!!! :lem-mindblown:
Almost certainly improvable :lemcat:
Bonus - Lemminas "Requires Cloners" LevelsFor the purposes of this challenge, I've decided to change the save requirement for levels requiring Cloners to 100% (instead of more than 100%, which is the only thing making it "impossible" to complete the levels with Builders & Bashers).
Probably the most interesting of these, solution-wise, is Pandemonium 10, which doesn't seem possible at first, but makes full use of the terrain to delay the worker and create a safe passage for the crowd.
Rank | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Magical | 7 | Lemminas Luv M.C. Escher | 2 | 1 | 3 | 40/40 Saved |
Sensational | 1 | Worra Lorra Lemminas | 0 | 2 | 2 | 300/300 Saved |
Sensational | 10 | The Strange Boutique | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1/1 Saved (Becomes a Self-Solve) |
Tricksy | 7 | Easy Peasy Lemmina Squeezy | 9 | 4 | 13 | 16/16 Saved |
Pandemonium | 1 | Lemmina City Steel Facility | 21 | 9 | 30 | 100/100 Saved |
Pandemonium | 10 | I'll Just Wait Here, Shall I? | 28 | 8 | 36 | 300/300 Saved |
GeoffLemsPlease note that the following records have yet to be completed:Levels in blue are of particular interest - replays provided
N.B. Results shown are for Maximum Possible Saved (100% unless noted).
Contributors: WillLem
Fun
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Fun | 1 | How Do I Lemming? | NA | NA | NA | Impossible: requires Diggers |
Fun | 2 | Little Umbrellas | 9 | 5 | 14 |
Fun | 3 | Drumsticks | 2 | 4 | 6 |
Fun | 4 | The Bricklayer's Guild | 5 | 1 | 6 |
Fun | 5 | The Crystal Ship | 3 | 5 | 8 |
Fun | 6 | Subterraneans | 0 | 4 | 4 |
Fun | 7 | Promenade | 4 | 3 | 7 |
Fun | 8 | Lemming Fun Club | 5 | 3 | 8 |
Fun | 9 | Means To An End | 0 | 4 | 4 |
Fun | 10 | Over Fire Island | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers & Floaters |
Fun | 11 | Quadrophenia | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Fun | 12 | Up The Fire Escape... | 7 | 0 | 7 |
Fun | 13 | Mind The Gap | 2 | 3 | 5 |
Fun | 14 | Heure De Pointe | 4 | 5 | 9 |
Fun | 15 | The Scrap Yard | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Fun | 16 | Roadhouse Blues | 13 | 2 | 15 |
Fun | 17 | Post-Lemmingism | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Fun | 18 | Lemmixology | 7 | 6 | 13 |
Fun | 19 | Spider & I | 4 | 5 | 9 |
Fun | 20 | Tread Carefully | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Fun | 21 | Mezzanine | 4 | 8 | 12 |
Fun | 22 | Sky Archipelago | 14 | 4 | 18 |
Fun | 23 | Who Designed This Level?? | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Fun | 24 | Little Cream Soda | 17 | 9 | 26 | 79/80 Saved |
Fun | 25 | They Can't All Be Zingers | 7 | 0 | 7 |
Fun | 26 | Arrows Make Every Level Cooler | 20 | 3 | 23 |
Fun | 27 | Dr. Lemmingstone, I Presume? | 15 | 2 | 17 |
Fun | 28 | Lemmings Terrain Park | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Fun | 29 | Guided Tour | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Fun | 30 | Meet In The Middle | 3 | 2 | 5 |
Tricky
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Tricky | 1 | Lemming Colony | 22 | 9 | 31 | 39/40 Saved |
Tricky | 2 | Come Out To Play, Lemmings! | 7 | 5 | 12 |
Tricky | 3 | Kindercare | 6 | 4 | 10 |
Tricky | 4 | The Belltower | NA | NA | NA | Same as Fun 20 |
Tricky | 5 | Lemming Yacht Club | 46 | 30 | 76 |
Tricky | 6 | Renovations | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Diggers |
Tricky | 7 | Mining Workforce In Decline | NA | NA | NA | Same as Fun 15 |
Tricky | 8 | Obstacle | 2 | 3 | 5 | Same as Fun 13 |
Tricky | 9 | Short Controlled Bursts | 2 | 4 | 6 | Same as Fun 3 |
Tricky | 10 | Break On Through? | 2 | 2 | 4 |
Tricky | 11 | Caravan | 10 | 3 | 13 |
Tricky | 12 | House Of Pancakes | 13 | 5 | 18 |
Tricky | 13 | Trick Wire | 4 | 5 | 9 | Same as Fun 14 |
Tricky | 14 | Summer's Waltz | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Tricky | 15 | The First Day Of The Revolution | 8 | 5 | 13 |
Tricky | 16 | No Lemming Left Behind | 9 | 5 | 14 | Same as Fun 2 |
Tricky | 17 | Watch For Falling Rocks | 4 | 5 | 9 |
Tricky | 18 | Fort Lemmington | 12 | 7 | 19 | 49/50 Saved |
Tricky | 19 | Wire Cutters | NA | NA | NA | Impossible - requires Floaters |
Tricky | 20 | MEANWHILE in Canada | 5 | 1 | 6 |
Tricky | 21 | Everybody Builds | 4 | 2 | 6 |
Tricky | 22 | One Step Ahead | 5 | 1 | 6 | Same as Fun 4 |
Tricky | 23 | Enclosure | NA | NA | NA | Same as Fun 28 |
Tricky | 24 | The Miliau Viaduct | 3 | 5 | 8 | Same as Fun 5 |
Tricky | 25 | The Yungas Road | 14 | 4 | 18 | Same as Fun 22 |
Tricky | 26 | Lemmings: 1, Man: 0 | 8 | 4 | 12 |
Tricky | 27 | Hot Chip | 8 | 0 | 8 |
Tricky | 28 | Proposed Keystone Pipeline | 7 | 6 | 13 | Same as Fun 18 |
Tricky | 29 | The Buddy System | 3 | 5 | 8 |
Tricky | 30 | Oven-Friendly Lemmings | 13 | 3 | 16 |
Taxing
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Taxing | 1 | The Pit And The Pendulum | 20 | 5 | 25 |
Taxing | 2 | Planks | NA | NA | NA | Same as Tricky 6 |
Taxing | 3 | Close Shave Mr. Kennedy | NA | NA | NA | Impossible: requires Diggers |
Taxing | 4 | Lunchbox Special | 6 | 4 | 10 | Same as Tricky 3 |
Taxing | 5 | Smuggler's Run | 0 | 4 | 4 | Same as Fun 6 |
Taxing | 6 | Containment | 22 | 9 | 31 | Same as Tricky 1 |
Taxing | 7 | Mondrian | NA | NA | NA | Same as Fun 17 |
Taxing | 8 | Magic Bus | NA | NA | NA | Impossible: requires Floaters |
Taxing | 9 | Donut Level | 11 | 7 | 18 |
Taxing | 10 | Tiny Town | NA | NA | NA | Impossible: requires Diggers |
Taxing | 11 | Southern Cross | 6 | 3 | 9 |
Taxing | 12 | Ice Storm '98 | 10 | 10 | 20 | Possibly Improvable |
Taxing | 13 | The Fissure | 5 | 2 | 7 |
Taxing | 14 | Bad Cover Level | 20 | 3 | 23 | Same as Fun 26 |
Taxing | 15 | Mutiny On The Bounty | 46 | 30 | 76 | Same as Tricky 5 |
Taxing | 16 | Timing | 6 | 4 | 10 |
Taxing | 17 | Lemmington Abbey | 8 | 0 | 8 |
Taxing | 18 | Tank! | 10 | 1 | 11 |
Taxing | 19 | Desperados | 7 | 0 | 7 | Same as Fun 12 |
Taxing | 20 | Just A Minute: Stereo Remix | NA | NA | NA | Same as Fun 11 |
Taxing | 21 | Gibbets | 27 | 14 | 41 |
Taxing | 22 | Commuters | 4 | 3 | 7 |
Taxing | 23 | Chords | 7 | 10 | 17 |
Taxing | 24 | Up We Go | 13 | 2 | 15 | Same as Fun 16 |
Taxing | 25 | Wierd Moon | NA | NA | NA | Same as Fun 23 |
Taxing | 26 | The Hut Of Baba Yaga | 2 | 3 | 5 |
Taxing | 27 | Take Five! | 14 | 5 | 19 |
Taxing | 28 | Swiss Cheese | 10 | 4 | 14 |
Taxing | 29 | Hangar B | NA | NA | NA | Impossible: requires Floaters |
Taxing | 30 | Tabula Rasa | NA | NA | NA | Same as Fun 1 |
Mayhem
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Mayhem | 1 | Safety First | 10 | 3 | 13 | Same as Tricky 11 |
Mayhem | 2 | Switchbacks | NA | NA | NA | Same as Fun 29 |
Mayhem | 3 | Topsy Turvy | NA | NA | NA | Impossible: requires Floaters |
Mayhem | 4 | Pipe Room | 15 | 6 | 21 |
Mayhem | 5 | The Long Beam | 30 | 22 | 52 |
Mayhem | 6 | Knots | 15 | 2 | 17 | Same as Fun 27 |
Mayhem | 7 | Time For Plan C | 15 | 13 | 28 |
Mayhem | 8 | Four Houses | 19 | 8 | 27 | 39/40 Saved |
Mayhem | 9 | In A Glass House | 8 | 3 | 11 |
Mayhem | 10 | T-Rex | 3 | 3 | 6 |
Mayhem | 11 | Lemming In Zest | 53 | 34 | 87 |
Mayhem | 12 | Think Fast! | 7 | 0 | 7 | Same as Fun 12 |
Mayhem | 13 | The Garden | 17 | 9 | 26 | Same as Fun 24 |
Mayhem | 14 | Advanced Compression Method | 13 | 5 | 18 | Same as Tricky 12 |
Mayhem | 15 | Gluten-Free Organic Lemmings | NA | NA | NA | Same as Tricky 14 |
Mayhem | 16 | Logistics | 4 | 8 | 12 | Same as Fun 21 |
Mayhem | 17 | The Plateau | 4 | 3 | 7 | Same as Fun 7 |
Mayhem | 18 | Now This Is A Predicament... | NA | NA | NA | Impossible: requires Floaters |
Mayhem | 19 | Fairweather Lemmings | 4 | 1 | 5 |
Mayhem | 20 | Panic At The Disco | 5 | 3 | 8 | Same as Fun 8 |
Mayhem | 21 | Lemmings In The Radiator | 4 | 4 | 8 |
Mayhem | 22 | Grey Matter | 3 | 8 | 11 |
Mayhem | 23 | Speed King | 13 | 2 | 15 |
Mayhem | 24 | Pyramid Scheme | 0 | 4 | 4 |
Mayhem | 25 | Main Floor, Please | 10 | 2 | 12 |
Mayhem | 26 | Parking Garage | 5 | 9 | 14 |
Mayhem | 27 | Breakage | NA | NA | NA | Impossible: requires Diggers |
Mayhem | 28 | Dazed And Confused | NA | NA | NA | Impossible: requires Floaters |
Mayhem | 29 | A Wing And A Prayer | 13 | 4 | 17 |
Mayhem | 30 | One More Red Nightmare | 21 | 6 | 27 |
Table template:
Group Title
Group | # | Level | Builders | Bashers | Total |
Group Title | 1 | Level Title | TBC | TBC | TBC |
ONML - Havoc results updated (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86946#msg86946), plus some new replays from Proxima 8-)
Also uploaded initial results for GeoffLems - Fun (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg87532#msg87532), I'm sure some of these may be improvable!
Results for GeoffLems - Tricky posted (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg87532#msg87532).
It turns out that Tricksy 5 Lemmina Drops is possible! Results updated (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg86947#msg86947) :lemcat:
Results for GeoffLems - Taxing posted (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg87532#msg87532), as well as replays for particularly interesting levels from Tricky and Taxing.
Results for GeoffLems - Mayhem posted (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5188.msg87532#msg87532) - pack complete! :lemcat:
Finally got around to doing Crazy 7 "And Now, The End Is Near..."
This was by far the most interesting level for this challenge from ONML; it seemed impossible at first due to the short time limit and 100% save requirement. Facing all lemmings towards the exit is the most difficult thing about this one, and it's definitely worth giving it a go before you check out the replay! :lemcat:
I've attached a copy of the level edited for B & B so you can try it out for yourself...