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2/12/20 [v3.03]
Fix to Murder 12 due to back route by Swerdis.

19/09/20 [v3.02]
MegSEBytes 11 The Outbreak fixed since slight Glider physics change following the release of the Shimmier skill to NL.
All other levels are confirmed to be solvable.
Removed download link for v12.6.5 since it is heavily obsolete now.

18/10/19
The pack has been updated to work with NeoLemmix v12.7.0 and there have been some level swaps within the Stormy and Murder rank based on feedback from players.
Stormy 11 > Murder 9 (30-MegSEByte Hard Drive)
Murder 9 > Murder 2 (Let's Go Sonic)
Murder 2 > Stormy 18 (Will You Start The Fans Please)
Stormy 12-Stormy 18 > Stormy 11-Stormy 17

The "SEB Lems.zip" download is a Cleansed v12.7.0 RC build
I have also attached a v12.6.5 compatible version.

22/08/19
The Deep Cuts rank has been removed from the pack, some levels may later reappear in other packs but the majority are to be scrapped permanently
There are no levels added in to replace these levels so the pack has been reduced to 160 levels and 8 ranks.

03/06/19
The SEB Lems download has been reinstated now the Scrap Brain and Star Light tileset are up to date again.

Make sure you update the styles update in this topic specifically for flopsy_scrapbrain and flopsy_starlight
https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4139.new;topicseen#new

30 - One Way Arrows fixed.
30-MegSEByte Hard Drive - backroute by IchoTolot and Nessy fixed, ceiling added on upper-left.
99 Ways to Die - One Way Arrows added under trapdoor.
A Pirate's Life For Me - removed backroute by josh, changed music to PSP Crystal 3
A Tribute To Bob Holness - Talisman added: Save 58/60
Aaaahhhh Real Monsters - Time Limit 7:00 + back route fix.
Are You Really The Devil? - Added steel on hanging ball.
Aztec Dune Zone - -1 Digger -1 Stacker from skillset (Arty's solution enforced)
Back in the Saddle - Steel added, OWA added on train, -2 builders from skillset (Icho's solution enforced)
Being This Good Takes AGES - Talisman added: beat with only 6 platformers
Big Top Drop - Talisman added: Save 91 or more lemmings.
Birth of an Empire - Now Save 100%, Nessy's solution adopted.
Can You Hear Me? - back route fix
Can't Have It All - added steel column
Candy Floss Bonkers - back route fix
Circuit Breakers - Shortened middle platform, back route fix
Darkside Lightside - -1 Digger, Blocker now a pickup skill (backrouted by Arty and josh)
Digital Ice Age - One Way Arrows added
Don't Play With Fire - Talisman added: Save 100% (by Akseli)
Final Rush - changes to prevent back routes
From A Designer's Perspective - Talisman: Save 42 Lemmings
Futuristic Climber Zone - Arty's backroute fixed.
Golden Round - Trapdoor moved to right slightly, steel and traps added to left of trapdoor, increase save requirement by 1 to 37.
Harvey Haddon Sports Pyramid - One Way Arrows added, ceiling doesn't need fixing.
Here Comes The Rapture - Steel added under "Death"
High Cube - Time Limit reduced to 1:45, One Way Arrows added
Hot For High Times - 3:00 Time Limit, Arty's solution adopted.
How Does It Feel? - IchoTolot's solution used, skillset drastically reduced, +1 to save requirement
I Feel Six and Twenty Eyes - Added Steel near Right hand trapdoor, to prevent stoner use under OWA (Arty and Nessy)
I'd Give You Anything - Level changed completely, no cloners, 1 fencer added, solution changed to prevent horrible backroutes.
I'd Never Make A Level About You - IchoTolot's solution adopted, -1 Basher from skillset, flamethrower over lava raised 1 pixel.
In Between Worlds - Steel added in top right section to stop top left being back routed.
Lemmings on the Stream - Talisman suggestion: Don't use the bomber. (Akseli and IchoTolot)
Lights, Camera, Action! - removed backroute by Arty, changed music to Metallic Madness Present
Mean Green Machine - removed 1 basher, adopted IchoTolot's solution
Meet Your Maker - removed 2 stackers, adopted Nessy's solution
Milly's Lair - removed the miner, fixed the "black pixel", adopted joshescue's solution
Mixed Up World - removed 2 bashers, adopted Nessy's solution
Mummies Alive! - backroutes by Arty and joshescue fixed
Never Let Me Down - added steel to ceiling above spike trap.
On The Dancefloor - removed 5 builders, adopted Akseli's solution
Rick-afinity - added One Way Arrows to Rick faces near exit.
Running Circles Around The Moon - back route fix, added spike trap from Snow tileset.
SEBpphires - backroute by Arty fixed, fixed ceiling on upper-left of level
Shoot From The Hip - Removed a Climber and Glider to enforce intended solution
SNAKE! - Release Rate now locked at 70 to increase difficulty.
That's Blockbusters - Talisman added: complete level without the Blocker (Nessy's solution)
The Call of Kyusu - Reduced Climber count by 1 (down to 8), adopted Nessy's solution
The Call of Lucia - Time limit reduced by 10 seconds
The Outbreak - backroute by Arty fixed, fixed ceiling on upper-right of level.
This is NOT a Drill - Time limit introduced 3 mins
Thought of Jigsaw and Made This - back route fix, heightened the left One Way Wall
Up and Down and All Around - backroutes by Arty, Icho, josh and Nessy fixed.

Level moves - please use this to update your replay files with the correct level numbers.
First code displayed is the level position in any version 1 of SEB Lems (since release) and the > points to where it has     moved to in v2.00.
(format xx yy - where xx is rank number and yy is level number)
01 10 > 01 14
01 11 > 01 15
01 12 > 01 10
01 14 > 01 11
01 15 > 01 12

02 02 > 02 03
02 03 > 02 04
02 04 > 02 02

03 12 > 04 19 (up)
03 13 > 03 12
03 14 > 03 13
03 15 > 03 14
03 16 > 03 15
03 17 > 03 16
03 18 > 03 17
03 19 > 05 14 (up)

04 03 > 03 18 (down)
04 04 > 03 19 (down)
04 05 > 04 17
04 06 > 04 03
04 07 > 04 04
04 08 > 04 05
04 09 > 04 06
04 10 > 04 15
04 11 > 04 08
04 12 > 04 07
04 13 > 04 09
04 14 > 04 10
04 15 > 04 11
04 17 > 04 12
04 18 > 04 14
04 19 > 04 18

05 10 > 04 13 (down)
05 11 > 05 10
05 12 > 05 11
05 13 > 05 12
05 14 > 05 13
05 15 > 06 15 (up)

06 15 > 05 15 (down)

07 18 > 07 20
07 20 > 07 18

08 02 > 08 05
08 03 > 08 02
08 04 > 08 10
08 05 > 08 03
08 10 > 08 04

09 14 completely replaced with new level "I Am ATypical"

Paradise17: Crystallise – My solution is ridiculously precise, I'd think there's a more reasonable way to do this level.

Bittersweet2: Pretty Woman – My previous solution didn't work, because there's no ceiling at the top left corner. :P So, I adjusted my solution just a bit.
Bittersweet3: Just Get Rid of Him! – An original idea, good good!
Bittersweet4: Sweet Memories – I backrouted this earlier, now the solution is shiny!
Bittersweet12: Tell me the way to DMA... - If recurring Tricks of the Trade levels and Deep Cuts Homewrecker aren't counted, this is the only repeat level in the whole pack. :O
Bittersweet14: From a Designer's Perspective – Suddenly original tileset with that nostalgic song! :thumbsup: A refreshing surprise.
Bittersweet15: Candy Floss Bonkers – I backrouted this earlier. Now found this solution with that tricky top left area, nice!
Bittersweet18-19: The Ocean World and The Friday Feel Good Lounge – Still some of the best stuff of the entire pack, love them and these levels are the ones I'll root from SEB Lems in LOTY. : )

Revolution3: Don't Play With Fire – One of the most builder heaviest levels in the pack, but there's these kind of levels so few so that's just variety and doesn't get that irritating.
Revolution8: Harvey Haddon Sports Pyramid – I backrouted this earlier, but now I used the basher before the one-way wall area.
Revolution9: A Tribute to Bob Holness – Didn't realize in my earlier playthrough that you can find words from there. ;)
Revolution13: Sadistic Lemming Factory – This one I mentioned already, there's a talisman for solving the level (save 39). Also, this feels daunting for its placement this early in the pack.
Revolution 16: Pac Attack – Another quite exhausting level this early in the pack.

Stormy2: A Starlight Rollercoaster – I didn't solve this earlier, just in this playthrough found the correct path! Earlier I tried to send the workers up the first wall.
Stormy11: 30-MegSEByte Hard Drive – Not yet solved, I managed to realize what to do in the top right corner (digger and platformer only), but no idea how to do the bottom left, would need one climber more (crowd is not safe from water).
Stormy12: Futuristic Climber Zone – Didn't solve this last Winter, now I got it and this is an amazingly original level, wondering why the eerie space song isn't there anymore but "aah real monsters" song is used. :P
Stormy16: Wild Forever – Didn't solve this last Winter, now I got it when I realized that miner set-up is possible with first lemming not using a floater and the miner turns around from the steel. It's really precise, maybe too much so?
Stormy19: Rick-afinity – Didn't solve this last Winter, now I got it immediately when I realized to dig horizontally through that thin one-way wall. :P

Murder1: The Five Arches – Not yet solved.
Murder2: Will You Start The Fans Please! - A good level, I was stumped for a while, the key was to find out the correct digger placement, after that all came together.
Murder5: Up and Down and All Around – Not yet solved, I see you've fixed backroutes from basically everyone who has played this level. :P
Murder6: The Story of the Eggs – I saved 2 skills, one of the most backroute-feeling solutions of mine.
Murder7: The Call of Lucia – A good, difficult and compact level!
Murder9: Let's Go Sonic! – Maybe the easiest level in Murder rating, a good for being a breather level here if intended. The difficulty could come from spotting the indentations from the tower, but if one uses lots of clear physics mode like I do, it's easy to spot.
Murder10: Birth of an Empire – A good level, deriving from comments, this didn't have save 100% requirement earlier and wouldn't been Murder-worthy imo, now it is.
Murder11: Aztec Dune Zone – Not yet solved. Another level that's difficulty has considerably risen, deriving from comments that Arty's solution has been adapted. I can save everyone but the last hero lemming bashing the big one way wall from left to right and he walks to the abyss.
Murder12: Like A Lem In A Candy Shop – Another good, cramped, difficult level! :thumbsup:
Murder13: No Time To Die (Flopsy style!) – Maybe backrouted, my solution is not Murder-worthy.
Murder14: We Build Castles Made of Slime – Didn't solve this last Winter, now got it when spotting that basher placement.
Murder15: Golden Round - A good and fitting song! A bit easy-ish if one examines the honey circle terrain carefully, where to put basher etc.
Murder18: Darkside Lightside – A good and difficult level.
Murder20: Here Comes the Rapture! – Not yet solved. The biggest issue is saving the climbers at the bottom middle from climbing to the flamethrower.

Rapture7: The Call of Kyusu – Awesome level, three different delightful timing tricks (blocker-builder, digger-faller, bomber-basher)! :thumbsup: At first I thought this to be more horrible before realizing that only 3 climbers need to be send to the left, because the hero that digs lets climbers to the right, avoiding timing with the trap.
Rapture8: Leave the Others Alone – Nice, though a bit hasty with the builder before the crowd comes.
Rapture12: Shoot From The Hip – An interesting looking level compared to exhausting looking Rapture levels with dozens of skills, thus I tried this for a while, and I'm not sure if the trick at the bottom left is intended. Awesome layout!

MegSEBytes8: Mummies Alive! – The level where this rating gets good.
MegSEBytes12: SEBpphires – A potential backroute saving 2 platformers.
MegSEBytes15: Lights, Camera, Action! – Brilliant, looks pretty impossible at first sight, but the solution is efficient.
MegSEBytes16: Lemsels in Distress – Three good things: the tileset, the level, the song.
MegSEBytes19: Circuit Breakers – Genious, genious!
MegSEBytes20: Spaced Out – Took a while to solve this, a deserving rating final.

Unrequited2: Just 1 Word I Want You To Know and 10: How's the Island Punch? – Great, great, great!
Unrequited11: Mapperley at the Tree Tops – This is somehow one of the most uninteresting levels in the pack (excluding X-of-everything levels). Not discarding-worthy maybe, but I just thought of bringing this point out.
Unrequited14: The Lemming Disaster Suite – One of the hardest solvings of mine, timing to get a bomber hero at the end out from the crowd was pain.
Unrequited15: 30 – Not yet solved. Hard to tell if I'm doing wrong the left part or the right part.
Unrequited17: Machinery – A good level, but seemed easy compared to levels around it.
Unrequited18: I'd Give You Anything – Not yet solved, and this is super weird how to do the second "room" with 3 builders, 2 blockers and 2 diggers. There's 4 vertical trees, 3 bashers and 1 fencer for them. Pretty sure that first room is builder and digger, the second last room is builder and the last room is digger – all skills used.
Unrequited19: Hot for High Times – Like I said earlier, I didn't take the pickup skills, so I backrouted this.
Unrequited20: How Does it Feel? – Marble is by far the most used tileset in this pack. :P A good level.

Deep Cuts 8: Maybe the best level of this rating even though it's a multitask pain. 14: I am A Typical is also good, but yea maybe not that original for the main ratings.
Deep Cuts 15: Woow, my name is there! Can't remember what my contribution was in relation to you before SEB Lems was created, but I'm honored. : )

"Sweet memories": The fact that you made the slope entirely terrain, without the little gaps in it, had me stumped for quite a while ;) . Before, I had used a miner to turn the lemmings around here, because that miner got cancelled automatically as soon as he hit one of those gaps. Eventually, I came up with something involving one of my World Tour tricks, i.e. climbing through a blocker. Is that intended? It seems a little untypical of your level building style, if I compare it to all the other levels from the pack I've played so far... It works out just nicely with the release rate, but I managed to spare both the floater and the bomber. :8(): Well, in case it's a backroute, I already see how you're probably going to fix it ;) .

"Tricks of the Trade": Refering to the one with the blocker-builder-turnarounds here. Like Arty, I'm not the biggest fan of this one. Although the execution gets quite a bit easier once you've figured out the ideal place to contain the crowd. Another case where minor conceptual mistakes can cause a lot of unintended pixel precision, related to the relative distance between several lemmings.

"Sadistic Lemming factory": As I said, went from "regular solve" to "non-solve" to "talisman-solve" here. That was weird :D . [removed comment about dislike for music]

"Merry Band of Lemmings": One of the reasons why Stormy felt so much more inviting than Revolution! :thumbsup:

"That's blockbusters!": Another 90%er for me. I had grown so used to canceling one digger with another digger facing in the opposite direction that I didn't draw the logical conclusion that you can also turn a digger around with a blocker while digging, with the blocker getting freed again right away. To be fair, that's not a very obvious trick, because you don't see it from the outside until you actually try to assign a horizontal destructive skill to the digger. Thinking about it, I probably should have made a Noisemaker level about this trick...

"MegSEBytes Hard Drive": I wasted both diggers on that maze-thing on the right with the button in it, rather than just a single one. That, in turn, made me waste a platformer at the top of the ramp to turn the climbers around by bumping their heads against the platform.

"Futuristic Climber Zone": Arty's solution on the LP has been broken by a single terrain piece you needed to add as a backroute fix, but I saw the hint you gave in the comments. That said, I actually did find a solution that involves disarming the machine gun trap, even though it wouldn't have been necessary anymore at that point... :P

"Gold Run": A nice change to cancel a rogue lemming with a stoner rather than a bomber. Requires a little timing so that nobody gets trapped on the other side of the stoner. I'm usually careful with such a change, because stoners generally pose a much greater danger of breaking a level than bombers, but here, without any lethal fall options, this is certainly more interesting than a bomber cancel.
I'm just a little sad the trick I tried in the meantime wasn't part of the intended solution, because mechanically it works: In that zig-zag miner shaft, I had a lemming falling from the top stone, then walker-freed the blocker to gain some space, and platformed towards the stoner so that the platform closed the gap at the stoner's feet and the lemmings could ascend. How to close a miner tunnel without a builder! ;)

Speaking of stoners:

"I Feel Six and Twenty Eyes": [removed comment about level titles]. The most fiddly part about this was getting the cloner right. The absence of bashers really made all this one-way stuff an unusual challenge.

"On the dancefloor": [removed remark about level reference] Like Arty's boss fights in SubLems, your final levels of each rank often feel easier than the rest of the rank that came before. Nice builder-fest with some thinking required; it isn't too hard to prevent the lemmings from splatting, though, if the player knows some basic splatform rules. I like the idea of "anouncing" the next rank with the last level in each rank, though - apart from you, I have only seen GigaLem do that, so far.

I do suggest you make that fire trap on 03_03 an overwrite object, though ;) . I'm fine with traps hidden in animals for flavour reasons, but there's clearly no dragon or other fire-breathing beast present in this level ;) .

0104 "Back to Paradise" - The level itself is alright, but I really don't feel that full-on songs work well as Lemmings music. (I'll note the distinction here between an actual song; and music that uses vocals more like an instrument - eg. "At The Fair" - or that just have the odd vocal soundbite - eg. the Amiga variant of the "Menacing!" music). This might just be me, though.
0110 "Is It Any Wonder?" - Ugh, I did not like this level. It's extremely long (it literally doesn't fit in a single "screen" of the minimap) with no real point to it.
0111 "Move This Mountain" - Even without the "no stackers" goal for the talisman, I think this level is a bit tricky for a first-ranker. Not a bad level though.
0113 "The T-Shirt Level" - You forgot to set music for this one. Unless it's just coincidence that it's level 13 and plays orig_13?
0115 "Party In My Head" - Nice level, although I couldn't figure out which L3D level it was based on.
0116 "It's The Name Of The Game" - Another nice one, although it's definitely much easier than its L3D inspiration.
0117 "Crystallise" - Probably my favorite so far! :D
0118 "Volunteer Lemming Firefighters" - Similar to 0110, this level felt more tedious than anything else. On a side note, the water in the middle should probably be narrowed a bit so it only fills the actual gap. Also, this might just be me, but I found the music on this one extremely annoying, even by song-as-music standards. :/
0119 "Tricks of the Trade" - This one was pretty neat! :D
0120 "Parting is Bittersweet" - This is a nice level; although I notice the symmetry is somewhat broken - notice that a glider gliding from the very top of the sides, behaves different on one side than on the other. Not sure if this is intentional.

0201 "Find Us Under The Starlight" - Unless it's to block a backroute, I don't see the point of the trap and the walker. The level would work just as well without them. Nice level aside from that though! :)
0203 "Just Get Rid Of Him!" - Ooh, another very nice one! :D
0204 "Sweet Memories" - This was based off "Birthday Cake", right? Anyway, I'm not sure if the way I solved this was intended.
0205 "HMS Hamish MacBeth" - No idea which one this was based off, but it's another really good level.
0206 "Everybody Wants To Be A Cavelem" - Probably the hardest level in this pack so far. The solution is simple, but very well hidden.
0207 "One In A Billion" - Thanks for the compliment! The level itself was pretty good too.
0208 "The Acro-brats" - This one was "That's Right", isn't it (though with lots of additions)? It's a pretty good level, though I saved 100% with a few skills left over - and I can think of a few ways I could change which skills were left over.
0209 "Being This Good Takes AGES" - Nice level, although the talisman seems a bit pointless to me - I don't see how the extra two platformers would be useful, except perhaps to delay some lemmings.
0210 "The Locker Room" - Another nice level.
0211 "Tricks Of The Trade (Part II)" - Not sure if this was the intended way to control the crowd.
0212 "Tell Me The Way To DMA" - I remember this as a contest level, though it might have been backroute fixed since. Not bad!
0214 "From A Designer's Perspective" - No idea how you'd go about saving an extra lemming here, but this is a good level regardless.
0215 "Candy Floss Bonkers" - This one was very easy compared to most other levels by this point.
0216 "The Resurfacing Of Sonic's Roads" - Might be a backroute as I didn't use the glider, but if not, this is a pretty neat level.
0217 "Until The Stars Collide" - Interesting level for sure. I suspect this one is meant to be fairly open-ended?
0218 "The Ocean World" - Might be a backroute?
0219 "The Friday Feel Good Lounge" - My favorite level in the pack so far!
0220 "Get On The Revolution" - Even beyond just having the same skillset, this really reminded me of "A Different Kind Of Hero" from Lemmings Plus Omega.

0201 - (Was in SEB Lems demo) You have a fair point there but I'd rather have 4 skills than 3, 3 skills is just giving away the solution.
0204 - Your solution is the most intended I've seen out of any replays so far for this level. It may seem unintended because I used the exact skillset used on Birthday Cake which is actually correct on which level it was based on.
0205 - This level is based on Tricky (Lv23) This is the Army from 3D Lems, it has 90 degree turns in it but there are no turners so it pretty much plays out like a 2D level.
0206 - This level was also in SEB Lems demo, you also solved this one back then.
0208 - Yes spot on, it is That's Right but I thought I'd go on to make a more complex level than that which turned out to be not too hard in the end. Nothing unusual in your solution, there are many acceptable solutions here.
0209 - The idea in this level was to teach a 99 RR halfway through the level, my original solution had 8 platformers but since then it's been streamlined to 6, I see no need to remove the extra 2 personally.
0210 - Also a SEB Lems demo level and you solved it before back then also.
0211 - Very intended way to control the crowd, in fact that solution is exactly like my official solution.
0212 - There have been no changes to this level surprisingly since after the contest ended and many solutions have been found to this. You opted for the one which RTW found when he played this level on stream, it's the most impressive out of the ones I've seen on this level.
0214 - It's actually possible to save 43 on this level believe it or not, just an FYI!
0215 - This level has been the level in this rank which was plagued with back routes from day one, it may have resulted in the solution being more obvious than before. Other people have struggled with this level (Arty on his LP notably) so it is a bit of a doubled edged sword.
0216 - No back route, the glider is just there as filler to make it a 1 of everything level.
0217 - Yes, it is open ended, I'm impressed with your 100% solution though, you're getting good at stream lining your playing skills!
0218 - Not a back route really, you just found a way to not need the skills leftover because you streamlined pretty well. The splatform was meant to be made from a higher point and the digger was there in case you needed to dig through it.
0219 - This level made it pretty far in LOTY2017 so a lot of other people liked it also.
0220 - Interesting variant on the solution here, you actually successfully swapped the cloner with the walker use. You could have cloned on the left side while gliding down. You actually made it harder on yourself doing it this way but it was interesting to see this approach because you actually used the walker at the end of the level rather than at the start.

You haven't back routed anything as of yet, this rank has been back route sealed pretty well by previous players. I'm sure you'll back route something later on down the line since hardly anyone has ventured into Murder or Rapture.

0302 "Sparkle" - Took me a while to figure this one out. The pre-placed lemming being purely to let another lemming get past the trap really caught me off-guard.
0303 "Don't Play With Fire" - This level actually had me stumped to the point I stopped for a bit; but I solved it almost right away when I came back to it - I was overlooking something obvious. Nice level.
0304 "Welcome to Wafflemland" - This one was an excellent level!
0305 "Glain Yn Yr Dolur Calon" - Nice level.
0306 "Up The Wooden Hill" - A neat concept, but the level itself was quite simple to figure out.
0307 "The Legend of Ray Beeston" - Okay, wow. This is without a doubt the best level so far! :thumbsup: Probably the hardest, too. And I know you didn't really want comments on the music but I have to say, this level's music was awesome too and was definitely part of what made it so great!

0302 - The preplaced Lemming was the only way I could get this trap trick to work, I did try using Walkers but someone continuously back routed the level to the point where I had to make them pick up skills.
0303 - Surprised that this level initially stumped you given the very open skillset on this. I think this level is probably the first serious level in the pack, it's surprising how well the skillset suits this level though.
0304 - Thanks, in case you weren't familiar, the level name refers to me calling buttons "Wafflems" since Wafflem is famous for using them in his levels. It's misleadingly a harder level because 3 of the skills are effectively useless (Stoners, Bombers and Blockers).
0305 - Interesting that you saved a Walker here, the intention was to use all 4 of the walkers in the place where you used them, the builder can still be useful further up the web piece. I was going to say you could have saved the climber but he would not have made it to the exit with a single walker anyway.
0306 - This was in the SEB Lems demo but I don't think you ever made it to this level because you stopped about 6 levels in. This level was originally in the Murder rank but it got moved here after much feedback about this level, I thought the basher trick was more obscure than others thought, turns out I was wrong. I put the time limit in to stop 10min+ solutions to this level, yes someone actually gave me a 10 min replay to this one!
0307 - This was a deep LOTY2017 runner so it seemed a lot of others liked this level also. I think it came down to the obscurity of the tricks used at the start to contain the crowd, the rest of the level wasn't too difficult other than that. It seems I have a talent with the L2 sets in general because I have won a contest with a Highland level and won LOTY with a Medieval one which is in the next rank :).
(I don't mind if you have nice things to say about the music, that's perfectly fine if you want to say so)
This music is "Nottingham Lace" by Buckethead, it was added to SEB Lems in an update and it's on a few levels in this pack so you'll most likely hear it again, I felt it was too good to not be used on a Medieval level.

0308 "Harvey Haddon Sports Pyramid" - Very nice level!
0309 "A Tribute To Bob Holness" - Another nice level.
0310 "Today The Sun's On Us" - The first bit is very precise, but aside from that this is a great level.
0311 "Tricks of the Trade (Part III)" - Took me a while to figure out how to achieve crowd control here. Nice level!
0312 "The Big Bang" - I forget the name, but second level of L3D Taxing, right? Anyway, this was another pretty good level. However - I'll note the one way arrows "bleed" a bit on to terrain they shouldn't be on, eg. the weight discs on the right-wall dumbell. (It's easier to spot this in clear physics mode.) This is actually something I've noticed happens in a few cases in this pack, but I keep forgetting to point it out.

0309 - So you finally get to see the first of the few levels which led to me making additions to your Honeycomb tileset. It's based on a quiz show called Blockbusters, you may or may not have a variant of it over there but Bob Holness was the host of the UK version and he's no longer with us.
0310 - There is an easier way to do this level, you can just continue mining right at the start and mine through the bucket handle on the right hand bucket before the trap, that is way less precise than what you did :P. This is the first time I've seen this mining trick done on this level though, impressive.
0311 - I know this section looks a mess with the mashers and the pick up skills are a mess so it's nice to hear it was still a good level for you. Arty didn't enjoy this one and his back route led to the blockers being pick up skills.
0312 - Yes it is an earlier Taxing level called "Picky Platform". I think this level is a big giveaway to what 3D Lemmings level it is trying to copy, it works really well because the only 3D aspect was using the turner at the end to turn towards the exit which I had to creatively use a 2D trick on instead for authenticity.
Regarding the One Way Arrows, you're right to call it out because I really did not notice until you pointed it out. If you manage to remember where else you saw this then I'll be interested to know also but otherwise don't worry :)

Nothing back route like still at this point ;)

0313 "Sadistic Lemming Factory" - It's not a bad level per se, but I really don't think it gained anything from being that large - just a bit of annoyance having to scroll back and forwards between the ends of the level at the start. Also, I'll point out the talisman here is "save 39" - the level already requires that anyway. I, however, managed to save 40. ;)
0314 "Wrong Side Of The Sun" - This one was great! :D
0315 "Alice In Wonderland" - A lot harder than it looks. :O Not a bad level at all.

0313 - This level layout was made by Wafflem and I made a solution for it, it's a MegSEBytes level. Also the Talisman is supposed to be Save 39, it's a Hatsune Miku inside joke whom sings the track on this level "Sadistic Music Factory". 39 is a popular number in the franchise.
0314 - Interesting solution here, I like how you bombed the stacker to keep the climbers safe.
0315 - What I like about this level is I have not seen 2 solutions exactly the same. Yours is no different, Arty managed to beat this level with 9 builders.

0316 "Pac Attack" - It's a fun level overall, but very subtle differences in symmetry or block size do get a bit annoying here (eg. some vertical blocks can be destroyed completely using a digger, some will have 1 pixel width left; climb-glider to the right from the top entrance gets to the top-right corner, whereas on the left bounces off a wall).
0317 "Hopeless Fantasies" - This one was an excellent level!

0316 - I can see what you mean actually, you're the first person to point out this inconsistency. All I did was make this out of an image of a Pac Man maze so I didn't actually make this from scratch.
0317 - Glad you think this level is great, one of the better levels from MegSEBytes personally

0318 "All Work, No Play" - It's possible I'm missing something here, but this level seems needlessly precision-reliant; you could reduce the precision needed without harming the solution, I think. That is, of course, assuming this isn't a backroute.
0319 "Mean Green Machine" - This level was really frustrating at first, but after actually solving it I have to say it's a pretty good level! I would still say a bit hard for the position, though.
0320 "When The Storm Has Blown Over" - A pretty good level to end the rank with. :) Another case of "harder than it looks", though this one is fairly right for the position.

0401 "Band Of Merry Lemmings" - Congratulations on your LOTY win with this level. Personally, while I definitely think it was a very good level, it's not the best in the pack. (My favorite so far is still The Legend of Ray Beeston.)
0402 "Star Light Rollercoaster" - Backroute. I'm so sure of it that I spent a bit more time trying to find a not-so-obviously-backroute solution, though I didn't find one yet. EDIT: Okay, now I did, although this still might be a backroute (albeit a much less severe one) due to the leftover climber.

0318 - It's not exactly a back route, you just found a very clever alternate solution. If you take what you did and perhaps reverse it so that everything destruction wise is going in the other direction then that would give you the intended solution. I think this is why you had precision problems, because you tried to brute force a solution which is more or less the same, just in a different direction.
0319 - This looks ok to me, this is Wafflem's solution to a level which I made so he has the final say on whether this is acceptable. This level was originally in the Murder rank but it slowly got pushed down the ranks after feedback. I suppose it could get pushed in the other direction again.
0320 - Very nice solution here :). There are many ways to go about this level but I think it's safe to say all of the platformers and builders are needed crucially in all solutions.

0401 - This beat The Legend of Ray Beeston in LOTY sadly, I can't change that :P.
0402 - Ok, the problem here is I have already edited the Star Light tileset and your first replay doesn't solve so I was not able to see the back route entirely. From what I could see it was obviously a back route anyway because you were going in completely the wrong direction. From what I could make out from your 2nd replay (15_52), that one looks intended.
I guess that means that your back route is already technically fixed but nonetheless well done on finding it, I guess that is back route no 1 in this pack.

Stormy 03 "Just For You Wafflem!" - This one was unnecesserially precise, but aside from that was a pretty nice level.
Stormy 04 "Synchronised" - A bit too easy for the position, but it was a very fun level.
Stormy 05 "Scarborough Sands" - Another great level, although some slight terrain modifications (on the vertical obstacle near the left - a bit of a diagonal slope just before the second vertical wall on the left) could greatly reduce the precision needed without, as far as I can tell, harming the level in any way.
Stormy 06 "Big Top Drop" - Got the talisman... with an extra 2 lemmings, an unused bomber and two unused blockers to spare. ;)

0403 - I think I can understand where the precision frustration was, where you used a Blocker at the top to stop the crowd walking back and splatting to the left that was where the basher you ended up not using could have been used. This is an enhanced version of Tricky 6 from the PS3 version of Lemmings, the joke is Wafflem famously complained about that level as all it was was the first part of the level where you use the climbers and diggers.
0404 - This was a contest entry a long time ago, so you may have played this before. It may be easy for you but I think the Blocker builder trick needed to get to the exit can be tricky to time for some people.
0405 - I'm not really sure what you're trying to explain here, I can't picture what you're saying anyway.
0406 - Very well done on saving 93 on this level, that is a new record I believe. This was one of the last levels that I made for this pack and Wafflem designed the terrain for me.

Stormy 7 "Snake!" - This was an excellent level!!! :thumbsup:
Stormy 8 "That's Blockbusters!" - This had to be quite precise, though it is a talisman solution. Though I don't see any easier non-talisman solution, other than using the blocker where I used the stacker (and not using the stacker at all).
Stormy 9 "Lemmings On The Stream" - This was a pretty interesting level.

0407 - This level has had the release rate locked recently and the floaters used to have to be assigned, so I think this level has got easier. It's basically a birds eye view of the level SNAKE from 3D Lemmings.
0408 - The blocker is used to turn the digger at the beginning, I threw in that talisman as soon as people started submitting replays where the blocker wasn't used, I think a lot of people were thrown by the end of the level and not realising the stacker was needed here.
0409 - This level is a reference to RTW's streams. Nice solution here, a lot of people have come up with slightly different solutions to this level where one skill is not needed but you managed to use them all.

Stormy 10 "Mother O'Donoghue" - This might be a backroute. A fair few skills left over, and 100% saved (and while there's a talisman, it's for time, not 100%).

0410 - It is kind of a back route because the idea is you should use a floater to make the fall safe for the left hatch, it's nothing major though, you still solved the remainder of the level the intended way.

Okay, this feels intended now. Very nice level if so!

"Futuristic Climber Zone" - This was quite a fun level. Not sure if my solution was intended, but it's a nice level - though a bit on the easy side - if it was intended.

"Gold Run" - I smell a backroute on this one.

"I Feel Six and Twenty Eyes" - If this was intended, this is an excellent level - maybe even a challenger for Ray Beeston's title as best level so far (not completely sure which one I like more). Well done on this one!

"Thought Of Jigsaw And Made This" - This is a very nice level! :D

"Wild Forever" - Hm, okay so... the execution around the middle on this one is really annoying. It's actually very difficult to line the miner up correctly and have it all work - it took a LOT of trial and error to figure out a placement that worked. So I wasn't a fan of executing this level. The key word here, though, is "executing", because the "figuring out" side of things for this one was amazing! On a side note, the one way arrows "bleed" through the steel onto some of the terrain near the exit here.

Stormy 11 - You may have found this level easy but I think a lot of others who have played this have struggled, mainly with preventing Lemmings from splatting by falling from the top section. The crowd control aspect here can be difficult. Your solution is intended, I have not seen anyone come up with any other solution than something along the lines of yours.

Stormy 12 - It's not a back route really, it's just you have cleverly found a solution which doesn't need the stoner. You're the first person to actually come up with an alternative solution to this so well done for that. Your solution follows the same general route as the more recognised solution. I like your solution so I'm not going to prevent it, in fact I may make it a talisman because you saved an extra Lemming.

Stormy 13 - Aw thank you, I haven't had anyone take a liking to this level before. I'm especially proud of the way I make the cloners get used in this level, it's a hard level to solve I feel. I have had numerous back routes to this level in the past so I guess that is why it hasn't really had honest feedback.

Stormy 14 - Looks like all the back route fixing on this has helped this level a lot (at last!). I had a lot of trouble enforcing that stacker trick for the left side of the level but it's nice to see you get the intended solution first try now.

Stormy 15 - I did place the green moss pieces in this level to help with the lining up of the miner but I guess it can be very hard to execute still. I did want at least one level in SEB Lems where you have to have a perfectly placed miner, enthesis on AT LEAST ONE!
I'm glad you liked solving the level anyway, it can be tricky to get going on this one even if you can see the miner trick immediately!

Stormy 16 "This Is Not A Drill" - It was based off Team Work, right? A nice twist on the general idea of that one - this took me quite a while to figure out. I noticed fairly quickly that the end required a Mayhem 20 trick, but the specific way to set it up to get the crowd past, without running out of time, was brilliant!

Stormy 17 "Are You What You Want To Be?" - I get the feeling this is a somewhat open-ended one? IMO, this wasn't a bad level, though nothing too special either.

Stormy 18 "Will You Start The Fans Please!" - Assuming my solution is intended, this is a very nice level, though it's quite easy for the position - I solved this one much quicker than the last few levels.

Stormy 16 - Yes this was based on Team Work from L3D, I was very pleased with the way this level turned out. It never used to have a time limit until Arty solved this level in under 3 mins and I realised a time limit wasn't such a bad thing for this level. Your solution is intended anyway.

Stormy 17 - This didn't start out as an open ended level but after seeing the variety of solutions for this level, I didn't really set out to prevent all of them unless there was a very cheeky shortcut, most of them occurred in the section underneath the SEGA logo hence why there are tons on one way arrows.

Stormy 18 - Other people who have played this level have not found this as easy as you have, it can be quite difficult to spot the tricks used in this level especially the trick used to contain the crowd. How easy would you say this level is, and where do you think this level should be out of curiosity? Solution is intended anyway :)

Stormy 19 "Rick-afinity" - Not a bad level, but the only thing that really makes it challenging is the need to multitask, so I would say a bit easy for the position.

Stormy 20 "On The Dancefloor" - This was a really good level! It seemed impossible at first glance, but the solution was really clever.

Murder 1 "The Five Arches" - This was excellent! Took me quite a while to spot this solution. I think it's obvious which L3D level this was based off. :P

Murder 2 "Let's Go Sonic" - Another example of a level that looked impossible at first glance, but had a really clever solution. :D

Murder 3 "Running Out Of Space" - I wasn't as impressed with this one. It wasn't bad, but it felt like most of the difficulty came from figuring out the exact positioning rather than figuring out what to do in general.

Murder 4 "Meet Your Maker" - Now there's a name I haven't used in a while. :O Anyway, this was another excellent level. Several times I thought I had it but fell one skill short - then eventually I spotted this.

Stormy 19 - I like this super optimised solution, this has to be the quickest ever solve on this level, the fact that you contained the crowd near the exit helped with this. I have really inherited your love for Rick Astley levels, I have always made sure there is one Rickroll tileset level in all of my packs ever since. There is also one in MegSEGAbytes. There was one in GGF but I had to remove it from the pack, I'm yet to replace it as of yet!

Stormy 20 - This one was actually a contest level (I think it was the one after the one I won), it was originally in the Psychedelic LPII tileset and had 30 builders. It was actually Akseli who got this skillset knocked down to 25 as soon as it was shown to be possible with even less than that! It didn't get far in the contest but I think this is one of those levels that is getting lots of praise later on in SEB Lems.

Murder 1 - I always wanted to do a 2D version of this 3D Lemmings level, it is actually a 2D level in 3D Lemmings essentially. Obviously this is so much harder than the 3D Lemmings equivalent.

Murder 2 - Thanks, this level tends to not get as much praise, this is a taster potentially of what GGF will be like (with all the Sonic tilesets I mean).

Murder 3 - It's quite rare for me to use only 3 skill types in a level, it's nice when I do but sorry you didn't enjoy this one as much.

Murder 4 - I was waiting to see what you thought about this level since it is a tribute to you. I just remember when your YouTube channel used to be called that and thought it would be a good layout for a level. Also I put your favourite music in the level. Glad you enjoyed the level anyway, that means a lot. I also placed this as level 84 in SEB Lems which is double 42, I have a few references to level positions in other parts of the pack, see if you can spot them.

This solution is very clever. With that being said, I feel like the top-right entrance doesn't really add anything to the level. Take it away, remove the digger used to combine them with the entrance below, and nothing significant is lost. This is of course assuming this solution is intended - and it's plausible that it might not be.

Sadly I can't do much with this level because it is technically Wafflem's property, I think he put the 4 trapdoors in for symmetry purposes though. Your solution is very much intended, the one thing that must exist for it to be acceptable to Wafflem was the blocker trick you used to get the left Lemmings over to the right.

Hopeless Fantasies: I didn't realise I had to do a "2 for the price of 1" approach and bomb a lemming that otherwise would have drowned anyway.

Mean Green Machine: Cutting that one Basher in comparison to Arty's solution (which you didn't call a backroute in the comments! :P ) really made this level unnecessarily precise timing-wise. I had to re-assign the Digger on the left repeatedly to get him in the narrow time frame of "passing the exit while still closed" and "not reaching the abyss before it's been sealed up by Platformers". While looking at Arty's solution I thought "Why didn't this occur to me? Did I just overlook one Basher, or did I waste it somewhere?" No - it actually wasn't there anymore.
Also, the Old-Formats version featured anti-splat pads instead of updrafts. Thought about re-adding those? ;)
For a while, the updrafts confused me even more, because they made me think the whole crowd should travel down with the Digger. With updrafts resetting fall height, this is technically possible (if it weren't for that force field, even if you block after the first drop). With anti-splat pads, it's clear this path isn't an option, because you would be digging away the terrain inside their trigger area, and the lemmings would splat again underneath.

Thought of Jigsaw and made this: I had the Stacker trick and everything figured out, but didn't see a way to make all Climbers survive until they reach the left side. Because I didn't see a way not to make the Glider a Climber as well. So I had to watch just the very beginning of IchoTolot's solution (since Arty's was a backroute) to get the crowd containment right. I never would have thought there would be enough time to let the Glider mine first! :lem-mindblown:

Wild Forever: I traditionally suck at compression method. I was aware that you can use Bashers and Fencers to compress lemmings by having them "walk up on each other". But I hadn't thought of doing the same with Floaters yet. That a Miner has to go through, this was clear to me right away, since I like to use that a bunch as well. And the green grass parts thankfully facilitate proper placement of everything, including the Digger at the end. After that, I also went back to solve "Scarborough Sands", which I had skipped earlier, but I didn't actually have to look for any hints here. Just the context of having done "Wild Forever" first was enough. ;) But that's why the replay file for Stormy 05 has a later "last-modified" date than the rest.

...using them for a bunch of other purposes than crowd control, and usually in a manner where they can be freed again.

In contrast, a lot of players only practice Blocker usage at the very beginning of their journey, until they encounter levels that require more advanced forms of crowd control (Digger pits, sealing off Basher tunnels with Builders, three-Builder wall, etc.).

The downside of that however is that many of us no longer use the Blocker very much at all. If you're one of the players where this is true (as it is for me), this will DEFINITELY come back to bite you when you first attempt SEB Lems. ;)

In fact I'm pretty sure you had to stone beneath the receiver, or platform along there - anyway, at least one worker lemming had to go through it.

Bittersweet 14, From A Designer's Perspective - I believe 44/50 is the current best for this level :)
Revolution 18, All Work No Play - first time I've seen this level done the opposite way round, everyone else has zig zagged the other way up this level!
Revolution 19, Mean Green Machine - I'm not guilty in this level losing a basher, this was actually Wafflem's responsibility to fix at the time the basher was removed and it was down to a back route by IchoTolot. I tend to leave Wafflem's levels very much alone unless something is seriously wrong with the level's playability so I'm not interested in re-adding the anti splat pads. Since Wafflem is currently inactive I have taken over for maintaining his levels in my level packs where I actually know the solution to the level myself, there are some levels in MegSEGAbytes where I have not solved the level myself!
Stormy 12, Gold Run - Nice job saving the Stoner on this level, I have patched out solutions which have done this in the past but I keep coming across more back routes so I'm just going to not even bother now.
Stormy 15, Wild Forever - That is the idea with the grass patches in the level, it helps you get the precision right, well spotted.
Stormy 19, Rickafinity - I think this might be the fastest solve we have so far on this level.
Murder 1, The Five Arches - I have never seen a Blocker do that before....

Some of us have discussed this and why it seems impossible but much like Mean Green Machine, Wafflem is responsible for maintaining this level. I can assure you that despite this, the level is very much solvable.

QuoteStormy 19, Rickafinity - I think this might be the fastest solve we have so far on this level.

You mean in terms of time remaining? :D It's not like there was an awful lot left of it in my solution either. I thought it was just to provide some leeway. Has everyone else literally solved this at the very last second?

QuoteMurder 1, The Five Arches - I have never seen a Blocker do that before....

Wait... are you talking about stopping a Basher with a Blocker? Are you serious? You were the one who showed that trick to me, on your LP of Lemmings Migration! :D

01: This one I already solved last time; gave me quite of a challenge back when I first solved it, but on my current playthrough in New Formats it was easy to piece the solution together again.

02: I overcomplicated this one by having the Fencer climb up into that little niche in the wall on the left, instead of fencing straight from the bottom. That way, the Fencer came out too high at the top, so I needed to use the Miner to get down again and prevent the lemming from running off the map.

03: Another one I overcomplicated; I never thought of simply containing the bottom crowd. I tried to go for a flow-control solution here (a style of playing I suck at anyway, but therefore I tend to assume it's necessary even when it isn't), but the distances between the lemmings were too small for that. That caused me to bomb through one of the platforms to isolate a worker and then seal it up again later, which was very inefficient, and still lead to me losing some further lemmings from falling down.

04: This one I solved to 95%, I only hadn't thought of using the "platform from the middle of the stack" (i.e. while the stack is being built) trick here. I'm generally aware of it, though, so I wasn't surprised by anything here I didn't know. I found it strange though that you made the bar next to the hatch permeable for the Climber. Why do that if you still provide a Walker anyway to turn the Climber around? The Walker is such a potentially broken skill that I would probably rather not have provided it and simply left the bar entirely solid, so that the Climber would turn around by himself. Of course, having the Walker there slightly increases the entropy of the level, and therefore potentially the difficulty - but to me it was pretty clear right away that I would have to use the Cloner at the exit to turn the worker lemming around, not the Walker.

05: Another one where I got to 95%; I saw a really cool way here to make the Miner go through (over a staircase) to release the right bottom crowd, and at the same time release the Blocker that was containing them from the other side. Sadly, due to the hole in the building, this failed by a few pixels. (Turns out precisely that combination of "Miner goes through + frees Blocker in the process" was required two levels later on "The Call of Lucia", though - and of course, that's where I didn't use it! :forehead: ) For Murder 05, the part that I was missing was the Basher stopping himself by becoming a Blocker, only to be freed again by another Bomber. This is one of the most counter-intuitive tricks to me, since "Blocker + Bomber" always means "Blocker dies" to me. I know how to stop a Basher with a Blocker and make the Blocker survive (sometimes even creating a usable Basher-staircase in the process, see my solution to Murder 01 ;) , which you've already commented on). But the Basher-becomes-Blocker-makes-staircase-is-bombed-free trick I've only ever seen on Nepster's "Scrap the Builders!" so far.
And yes, I've actually used that trick on one of my own levels from Lemmings Open Air - but that's just because it's shamelessly ripping off the level by Nepster I just mentioned :P .

06: This one I could finally solve by myself again. Moving that one Digger before the long Basher that goes towards the crowd, instead of bashing first and then digging to get low enough, paid double duty and broke the splat height for the drop in the middle in the same breath. That was the decisive discovery that allowed me to save the Builder I needed to re-close the gap in the wire - which you need to create in order to get the pioneer into the teleporter in the bottom right corner.

07: This is the one I mentioned outside the spoiler tab where I was completely on the wrong track: Making the Miner go through was indeed the first thing I considered when I saw this diagonal increase with all the one-way arrows. But the terrain is so oddly shaped that I thought it could never work (that niche for the Glider to land in, especially). Even when it does, for the Digger you need to use to get the height of the Builder right, there only seems to be 1 pixel of height where it works. At least there's that slope on the left, which helps a little with the proper placement, because the Builder needs to be a continuation of that slope.
Also, the time limit really threw me off here - though I don't see what solution it's trying to prevent. Now that a timeout no longer ends the level but simply freezes the exit, I think it should be possible to run a replay of whatever backroute the time limit is supposed to break, and see it play out in its entirety. If you still have a replay of that solution, I would love to see it! ;)

08: Another one I solved entirely on my own. Timing the Digger inside the Miner tunnel in such a way that the Miner wouldn't splat while still having to wait for the crowd to get out of the tunnel again was a little tricky. But using the small crater the Miner leaves as a niche above the Digger shaft to climb back into and continue later, that was pretty clever! :thumbsup: If that is intended, props to you!

09: I remember having played this one earlier, so eventually I could figure it out by myself again. It's really confusing though that falling out of the teleporter immediately turns the lemming into a Frier, yet walking out of the teleporter at the exact same height (once the gap has been platformed up) does not. Do Fallers spawn out of teleporters 1 pixel higher or lower than Walkers? ??? That's the only way I can explain this difference to me.
What's also very confusing is the placement of the button at the top right: In clear-physics mode, because of the one-way arrows also blinking, it looked to me as if the button was placed inside terrain (i.e. in front of it so that it wasn't hidden, but only reachable via a destructive skill). If I hadn't faced this level before, I would probably not have considered that the button is actually inside a small chamber which a Glider could land in once the Digger breaks it open from the side.

10: Another self-solve. This one felt surprisingly easy, I even had two skills remaining. Maybe a backroute? ;)

11: This one was my favourite by far! :thumbsup: I tried lots of different things, got to 95% again... but of course, the missing piece was again down to me overcomplicating things:
I didn't consider simply stacking into the wall next to the exit to turn the lemming around. Instead, I tried various much more complicated ways to turn him around, but all of those wasted more skills. For example, I platformed over the exit first to turn around, then dug down on the right side of the exit, then mined. However, even when I dug six pixels into the ground below the exit (i.e. as low as I could if I still wanted the step to be walkable), the Miner wouldn't come out low enough. The tunnel was always low enough for the crowd to walk into, but the upper part of the wall needs to remain intact to turn the Glider around. And apparently, that's only possible when mining from further back, i.e. from within the pit containing the exit.
Another thing I tried was using the Stacker to free the crowd from behind their rock, because they're only being held back by a tiny protruding piece. Filling the gap underneath that piece up with the Stacker gets the crowd over the rock, which saves the Basher normally required to do it. Sadly, as cool as that was, it didn't help either. (And if that had been the required method of freeing the crowd, it would have been very hidden and obscure, so in the end I'm kind of glad that wasn't the way to go ;) ).

12: Here I'd say I got to about 90% before needing a hint. I knew you had to send the pioneers down on the left side of the crowd, but I kept trying to time the release of the single Climbers by having them climb out of a second Digger shaft I used to contain the crowd. That was probably once again me overthinking things. Once the Climbers are far enough apart to make it over the first gap that the Builder needs to cross, the rest is pretty self-explanatory

13: Here I was missing the "turn around the Digger with a Blocker" trick (and again on a later level). I'm familiar with the standard application of turning a Digger around with a Blocker inside an actual Digger shaft. But doing it on the edge of a block, i.e. with the Blocker walking off and doing other things afterwards, that was an additional level of complexity I hadn't considered so far. But once that part is clear, the rest is just trying to save time as efficiently as possible - and in my case, it was efficient enough for the talisman right away. ;)

14: I tried really hard to backroute this one by sending everyone along the bottom path, through the trap, using compression method. Sadly, that trap was too fast for that. I can't say I'm a fan of the intended solution, though. Even once I got the hint about how to isolate the pioneer, pulling it off without any excess lemmings slipping past the Digger-Builder combination was extremely fiddly.

15: Another one I could solve all by myself, which mainly just required swapping some Platformers and Builders around. And of course the initial discovery of how to contain the crowd with just a single Bomber. Those one-use traps, compared with a save requirement that allows you to lose some lemmings, can really throw you off and make you think you'd have to trigger some of those one-use traps deliberately. The decisive discovery though was the fact that you can also build out of those hollow honeycombs (by providing the ground the lemmings need to slip through the thin diagonal terrain, like through a staircase), instead of just breaking through them with destructive skills - because you have too few of those on this level to do that consistently.

16: This one I also solved by myself, seemed comparatively easy for its high position, too. Not as easy as "Birth of an Empire" - there was one re-adjustment I had to make at the beginning, connecting the crowds by mining from above instead of going through the terrain from below (and then quickly making those that slip by the Swimmers so that they don't drown). But overall, this one didn't take very long.

17: Another 95%er for me. I was getting so riled up about having to time that Builder-Blocker turnaround at the end exactly right over that long distance that I didn't consider turning the Miner around on the steel in front of the exit; I thought I had to mine to the left, which would have required building over the Basher tunnel again to connect with the Miner tunnel, plus an additional Blocker at the top, plus an additional Builder to get over the Miner tunnel.
This is why I'm generally not too much of a fan of those "Blocker turns Builder around mid-building" solutions. Especially not when the landscape is as big as this one. The trick itself is by far not as unknown as some of the other clever Blocker stunts you've showcased in this pack, so it doesn't add that much puzzle difficulty - but it does add loads of execution difficulty in terms of constant rewinding, just to assign a Climber slightly earlier or later every time.

18: Same as with level 13, turning the Digger around with the Blocker on the edge of a terrain chunk instead of completely inside the Digger shaft, that also escaped me here. The other thing that kept me wondering was how to get over that huge water pond without any constructive skills. The way you actually end up getting past it almost felt like a backroute to me when I finally saw it. Again, don't really see what the time limit is needed for here.
I'm glad you used this variation of the Digger-Blocker turnaround twice in such close succession. After having been stumped by it twice in a row, so to speak, I'm sure I'll remember it forever now! ;)

19: The last one I could solve all by myself. The decisive discovery here was the realisation that I needed a non-Climber to do the second half of the pioneer work.

20: Another 95% solution. First, I needed a long time to realise I could just contain the Floaters with a single Bomber - that small piece of terrain is hard to see, my mind quickly generalised the landscape as "everything there on the left is steel". Once I had that part figured out, I felt I was coming pretty close to the solution already: I knew the lemming approaching the exit from the right had to turn around on the pole first before the Glider from the left climbed up to bomb it - in order to place a stack on the right, right next to the wall, to prevent the Climbers from ever getting to it and die in the fire. I actually tried to bomb through the horizontal pole on the right side next to the exit, though - you can do that in such a way that a small piece of terrain remains behind, preventing the Climbers from climbing up into the fire. A Miner cutting away part of the stack also achieved similar things. Both of these approaches would have required an additional Builder to get through the Bomber hole and re-connect with the exit again, though.
In the end, the missing piece for me was the Builders going through each other. Which I knew they could do, I just didn't factor that in as a possible part of the solution. When a level is already as busy as this one, with Zombies and yet another time limit (which again, I don't see the what it's needed for?), it's hard to spot the opportunities for these tricks. Because they usually require a very specific setup (like the Miner going through on "The Call of Lucia"; as I said, the terrain gave that away to me at first sight, I just dropped the idea too quickly and looked for alternatives, in that case).

Murder 4, Meet Your Maker - That's a valid question about the walker, I think there was a back route way back which led to me adding it in and that permeable wall for the climber. I actually cannot remember what the back route was now because it's been so long. Just trust me when I say that it was added for a reason. Maybe the walker and the gap in the wall can be removed safely but I'm not really in the mood to change this level unnecessarily.

Murder 5, Up and Down and All Around - Funny you should mention that Basher + Blocker trick because that was the trick you also did not use in Murder 1 and instead you went for that more precise basher trick next to the trapdoor. Go back and try it if you're curious because the same trick is required in Murder 1 and this level. I've not seen a miner attempt through the builder here though. I think the reason why the same trick appeared in both levels is because this is a Wafflem solution and Murder 1 is my solution.

Murder 6, The Story of the Eggs - You could also have dug and built under the circular rather than have gone over, it just resulted in a quicker solve than what you did because you actually build the bridge over to where the crowd is contained a lot sooner. I just haven't seen anyone build over the circular piece before.

Murder 7, The Call of Lucia - Another solve which omits a Digger, ShmoLem also found this solution. I dig lower on the left side and use a Digger on the middle opening as well in my official solution, this might explain some of the difficulty you may have been having, the extra digger allows for more leniency. Nothing wrong with this though. I've included an image
(https://i.imgur.com/D8Ec43e.png?1)
I don't think I have a back route which the time limit prevented, it would have been someone endlessly looping the right hand side until things lined up I suspect.

Murder 8, The SEB Western - That miner nook trick was actually a trick that came in a fix that I had to do to prevent a back route, it wasn't in the original version of this level. Also the fact that you took the crowd to the middle of the level is something new I've seen in your solution. You know that wall you bashed out before the exit on the top level, that is supposed to turn the climber around so you don't need to prematurely release the crowd. Nothing wrong with this solution though, just a nice alternative way of doing things.

Murder 9, 30MSB HD - Yes, it has puzzled me among other people why that behaviour is correct. Other people have asked me that and because this is Wafflem's solution, I don't understand the teleporter behaviour myself. Concerning the button on the right, there is actually a small gap where the button is seen but due to the way CPM is, it looks like it is part of the one way arrows. You have effectively simplified this level with your solution, you have just done everything with one lemming rather than a few Lemmings up top.

Murder 10, The Birth of an Empire - We're officially naming this trick after you now because you pulled this trick in Murder 1 as well instead of the trick you used in Murder 5. It's not a back route, you're just using The Strato Turnaround!

Murder 11, Aztec Dune Zone - interesting save on a platformer to say the least!

Murder 12, Candy Shop - Thank ShmoLem for all the steel in the ceiling above the trapdoor :P. Otherwise all good and intended :)

Murder 13, No Time To Die - Finally a level which requires you to multitask! In fact you did it so well, you had 17 seconds left! There are multiple ways to do this level with or without the talisman, well on getting that by the way!

Murder 14, Castle made of Slime - You're not the first one to complain about the method of separating a worker Lemming and you won't be the last. This level came about as mine and Wafflem's part of a wider collaboration, because me and Wafflem were the first 2 to work on this level, we kept our iteration before the likes of Nepster and Icho had a go at it and made it much harder!

Murder 15, Golden Round - Your solution is very different to mine but it's not a back route. You didn't need to use that builder on the honeycomb the way you did and a bomber was not actually required to contain the crowd, you could have done it with a well timed digger and platformer. I like this solution anyway, it's nice to see it can be solved in other ways.

Murder 16, Great Scot - A lot of other people consider this level difficult because of the trick with the miner and builder at the start, it can be quite hard to spot. You're the first person to say this level is easy, maybe it's because there isn't much to it in your eyes ;)

Murder 17, Medieval Zone - Yeah I admit, this is more of a Reunion style level and this is where I got the inspiration from. I'm sorry it's not worthy of the King of Blockers! I'll try harder :P

Murder 18, Darkside Lightside - The time limit was imposed because some people were back routing with long winded solutions, because my solution required fast execution, it was the only thing worthy to fix the level without doing other wild crazy things.

Murder 20, Here Comes the Rapture - Not exactly a back route but you really streamlined this level with everything you did. I mean 4 min time limit would be a challenge for some people but you rolled over this in a little over 2 mins which is very impressive by the way! You're too streamlined in the way you're solving and hence the time limits may seem unnecessary to you.

No back routes overall, some nice alternate solutions and very streamlined!

Don't get me wrong, it was a very nice level! ;) It's nice to see a clever puzzle that isn't simultaneously extremely hard to figure out for a change.

It's more like I've developed a habit of overlooking this easier stuff, because usually, with these more common tricks, I tend to (over)think "Flopsy would never do such a simple thing with Blockers". :evil:

Although I like that it's easy to hold back the crowd here, too. The most annoying part is probably that anytime I use a Miner at the end of a Platformer's bridge, that makes it so that I can't allow the lemming to walk back later or he will slip through a 1-pixel gap under the Platformer bridge and fall down. :evil:

...is that the Swimmer can't climb out of the water to the left, where I would want him to mine. It even looks like that piece of terrain was raised up deliberately so that the Swimmer would go underneath it and turn around in the water. I thought of bombing him there to create a niche from where to do other things, but that doesn't help the crowd much because they would have to go through the water, and I need all my Bombers elsewhere anyway.

...and it does seem to me like the SEB references are getting lower and lower in number on the Rapture rank... ;) which is a little odd.

The former is one that features a splat pad, and it's been a while since I have played a level that has such an object. The latter features splitters in a form that I have never seen before. Again, it's about familiarizing myself with the tilesets, as there's still plenty that I have yet to play levels in, although I recognize the exit from some LWT levels.

Bittersweet 1 - Find Us Under the Starlight Excellent short and easy level to start off the rank! :thumbsup: The bomber assignment is precise, but otherwise nothing difficult about the level.

Bittersweet 3 - Just Get Rid of Him! I really like this one. The solution comes together nicely.

Bittersweet 4 - Sweet Memories First level of the rank that managed to trip me up. That blocker on the slope and releasing him with a digger and miner took me a while to see. I still like this level, though. Especially since it's in the Bubble tileset, which is a huge favorite of mine. So it's a nice visual puzzle IMO.

Bittersweet 5 - HMS Hamish Macbeth I like this level as well. Much easier than the previous one.

Bittersweet 6 - Everybody Wants to be a CaveLem Challenging one, but still an easy one. What I don't like is how it's not clear that the drops onto the platform and onto the exit area are safe, but that's just a personal dislike. The level's still a great one.

Bittersweet 10 - The Locker Room Excellent level! I really like this one :thumbsup: The lemmings getting trapped inside the racket was quite amusing indeed :P

Bittersweet 11 - Tricks of the Trade (Part II) First repeat of the level but now we start on the right side and only one entrance to worry about. Digger-basher staircases galore.

Bittersweet 12 - Tell Me the Way to DMA Congrats again on the contest win with this level. Nice repeat of the Paradise level. I totally failed to see that gap drop near the stone structure before the exit for the stoner :crylaugh:

Bittersweet 13 - Welcome to Star Light Zone! Challenging level. There's probably much easier ways than my solution, though.

Bittersweet 14 - From a Designer's Perspective Excellent level! :thumbsup: I recognized the trick that I used in a Lemmings Migration level here, and so that allowed me to solve the level. I especially love the use of a cloner to make the splatform for the crowd.

Bittersweet 15 - Candy Sweet Bonkers I like this level as well. I didn't think it was too hard. I would say the hardest is simply trapping the upper crowd while letting one go on ahead, but other than that it's not a hard level.

Bittersweet 16 - The Resurfacing of Sonic's Roads First level of the pack to require more than one video to solve. Surprising that I got stuck here and it's only the second rank. I did have the idea of building out of the holding pit at the bottom initially, but the main reason I was stuck was due to going about the racetrack area completely wrong. I kept thinking I needed to mine to the right and then clone when really it's just clone and then mine to the left. Before when I rejected this too quickly, I kept thinking to simply contain them in the starting platform, but one will always turn back and die to the side of the level.

It's a great level, but as was pointed out there is a problem with the fire trap at the top before the exit in that the lemmings slip by without getting killed. Looks to be a misplaced trigger area.

Bittersweet 17 - Until the Stars Collide Nice background with the twinkling stars ;) Somewhat easy level, with the only difficult part being to get through the web to the right side of the level.

Bittersweet 18 - The Ocean World This is probably my favorite level of the entire rank. Excellent puzzle and very nice design! :thumbsup:

Bittersweet 19 - The Friday Feel Good Lounge Second level of the rank to stump me. Amazing that it also happens to be a 1-of-everything level just like 16. However, it turns out that my thought of platforming right on top of the stack was wrong. The solution came to me while I was eating dinner earlier tonight. Very nice level! :thumbsup:

Bittersweet 20 - Get On The Revolution Excellent level to finish off the rank! ;) I thought this would be another level that was going to trip me up, considering that the 1-of-everythings in the rank have managed to stump me. Ironically, I solved this one extremely fast. Even more, Neolemmix skills only level.

QuoteI have solved two levels from the Rapture rank so far (levels 02 and 04). Haven't attempted anything beyond that yet, though. So there may be further "easy" ones coming. I expect the difficulty to be similarly subjective as on the Murder rank now.

Erm, I don't think you're going to have an easy time after Rapture 4 if you want my honest opinion. Rapture 6 if you have been attempting it is considered the hardest level in the entire pack personally, it is one of the levels in the pack with the fewest solves and even some of the best players on this forum have struggled with that level greatly before solving it.

QuoteLevel 02 was more of an execution-timing struggle, the conceptual part I had figured out pretty quickly.

Regarding Rapture 2, I think if you're familiar with the Hard For Flopsy concept then you know how the level was going to play out from the get go.

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Level 04 was much more to my liking, no difficult crowd control, just a nice resource-conservation puzzle where all the skills are accounted for (i.e. no open-ended X-of-everything level), and it's all about the pioneer lemming.

And Rapture 4, I'm surprised you found this easier than Rapture 1 (which you haven't solved yet), I guess levels with less constructive skills are more your forte.

QuoteAlthough I like that it's easy to hold back the crowd here, too. The most annoying part is probably that anytime I use a Miner at the end of a Platformer's bridge, that makes it so that I can't allow the lemming to walk back later or he will slip through a 1-pixel gap under the Platformer bridge and fall down.

On Rapture 1, if you're finding the miner and platformer thing annoying then you are probably better off finding an approach which relies less on that. Despite this level looking difficult, I have seen a few different solutions to it so it is not a tight wad type solution.

Quote...is that the Swimmer can't climb out of the water to the left, where I would want him to mine. It even looks like that piece of terrain was raised up deliberately so that the Swimmer would go underneath it and turn around in the water. I thought of bombing him there to create a niche from where to do other things, but that doesn't help the crowd much because they would have to go through the water, and I need all my Bombers elsewhere anyway.

Again here on Rapture 3, if something is being prevented and you are trying to contravene that then maybe there is something you are overlooking. This level is another nasty level for its position, I think this and Rapture 6 are where they are to reiterate that this is the Big Boy rank and I'm not messing about :P

Quote...and it does seem to me like the SEB references are getting lower and lower in number on the Rapture rank... ;) which is a little odd.

Ok, let's compare
Paradise 4, 5, 9, 10, 11, 15, 17 and 20
Bittersweet 1, 17, 20
Revolution 2, 10, 14, 20
Stormy 4, 13, 15, 20
Murder 3, 8, 10, 20
Rapture 4, 6, 8, 10, 12
So there are more in Rapture than any other rank except for Paradise so you're probably not spotting them all :P

QuoteWait... are you talking about stopping a Basher with a Blocker? Are you serious? You were the one who showed that trick to me, on your LP of Lemmings Migration!

I played Lemmings Migration 3 years ago now and I don't remember what I did yesterday let alone 3 years ago! If I did do that trick in any of my videos then it was probably because I was desperate. You however are doing this trick time and time again so you are worthy of having it named after you. Nessy came up with The Strato Turnaround appropriately :P

QuoteAs I have already told you, I am enjoying this pack a lot! The Paradise rank is very well-done for a first rank. It's not a throwaway rank at all. Yes, almost every level in the rank is an X-of-everything, but they're not like the ONML Tame ones where you do 1-3 skills and then you're done. Here, you have to do way more than that. As a result, there is far more variety, and they are way more interesting and challenging. They're still no pushovers.

Regarding Paradise, when making this rank I was heavily inspired by the first rank of NepsterLems, hence why the 5 of everything levels were a thing. I suck at making easy levels to be honest, I don't go away feeling like I have done enough and I would rather have all my levels being memorable than having throwaway levels like the Newbie rank in SubLems for example.

QuoteIn the second half of the Paradise rank, there are plenty of levels that I really like design-wise and visually. My favorites in this regard were Paradise 12 - Know When to Fold Them!, Paradise 14 - Lemtris 3D, Paradise 15 - Party in my Head, and Paradise 16 - It's The Name of the Game.

I'm surprised that you ended up liking the Lemmings 3D reboot levels (Paradise 14-16). I looked at it and thought "why the hell did I put 3 circus tileset levels in a row!?"

QuoteParadise 17 - Crystallize is the hardest of the rank, although it's still not too bad. I can see this one tripping up less experienced players.

Your solution to that level was a little on the complex side though. I don't think you considered letting the Lemmings stone while falling from the starting platform which would have made the execution a little easier. Instead you built to the left to catch them.

QuoteBittersweet 6 - Everybody Wants to be a CaveLem Challenging one, but still an easy one. What I don't like is how it's not clear that the drops onto the platform and onto the exit area are safe, but that's just a personal dislike. The level's still a great one.

This was one of my earliest levels for the pack and I'm still surprised at how well it holds up today. I wish I could make more levels like this one to be honest, I find if difficult to not have as much skill variety in my levels nowadays.

Rapture 7-10 were some excellent puzzles indeed. For Rapture 6, I've used this trick a bunch of times myself on my own levels. I just overlooked the setup. It wasn't that easy to spot, but there were certainly harder nuts than Rapture 6 in my opinion.

01: I wasted the Stacker at the beginning, thinking I had to hold back the crowd, when I actually didn't have to. Also, I platformed over the water too low initially, so that the crowd couldn't get up in the end when I wanted to bash them out. The decisive hint I needed here was the backwards Miner in that little niche to create a path for the Climber. I knew reverse Miners could create straight walls, but this is a very small niche, and therefore somewhat hidden. I guess that is what made this one harder than Rapture 04 for me: Not the question of destructive vs. constructive skills, but simply the fact that the terrain on Rapture 01 was a lot more "iffy". ;)

02: Complete self-solve. As I said earlier, I found this solution fairly easy to spot, and that's even though I myself usually suck at Hard-for-Flopsy levels. Pulling the execution off was a little more difficult, though; I had to rewind a bunch of times to get the timing right of what I knew was the correct solution conceptually. Can't say I'm a fan of that.

03: I had everything figured out here except for the top lemming landing on the staircase while building, and then continuing to build himself. That was the hint I needed from IchoTolot's replay. Even then, pulling it off was hard, because there only seems to be 1 particular brick where this works; earlier, and the bridge isn't long enough - later, and it's already too high, so that the lemming ends up building into the fire. Again, pixel precision causing trouble even once you have the solution figured out conceptually.

04: Complete self-solve. One of my favourites from the rank, as said before! :thumbsup: A little bit of rewinding was required to make small adjustments, but all of this rewinding was just due to conceptual mistakes, not execution ones. This is the way it should be, according to the "purist" version of NeoLemmix philosophy! ;)

05: Again, the thing I was missing here was the Blocker turning the Digger around "on the edge" instead of "inside" a Digger shaft. Guess that will be one of your signature tricks now to make it into the next Groupie-style level I make for you... :P

06: Much like with "The Call of Lucia", this immediately looked like a Miner-goes-through level to me, yet connecting the pieces to set that up was the problem. The relative timing between the two worker lemmings wasn't that bad here, because the lines inside the pipe help for orientation how low you should dig down.

07: Complete self-solve. This one was much easier than the just mentioned "The Call of Lucia" one rank earlier! Again, an annoyingly tight time limit, but I'll trust you that it was absolutely necessary to block some other backroute. That timing with the Bomber at the end, so that the second lemming lands inside the niche of the Bomber, allowing him to bash from there - instead of falling down towards the exit - is extremely precise, though.

08: Complete self-solve. Here the pixel precision got even more ridiculous. I've lost count of how often I had to rewind in order to prevent lemmings from either slipping by the Miner/Blocker into the fire trap, or past the Builder sealing up the wall to the left. And yet, I knew I wasn't doing anything wrong conceptually, I just had to slightly adjust the timing of the various skill assignments. And by "slightly", I mean "on a frame-by-frame basis".

09: Complete self-solve. This is one I got stuck on at my first attempt but which I then solved rather quickly in the second session attempting it, without any hints required. The locomotive next to the exit can be dug into in such a way that it's just barely not splat height - that's a little hard to see, but I was relying on it the entire time while mapping out my solution during that second session.
This one was a great extension of the same philosophy as on Rapture 04! :thumbsup: Definitely more complex, so a deserved higher spot in the same rank, but not really any more precise to pull off. Some skills you have to assign in such a way that they buy you a little more time for either that lemming himself or for a co-worker, but none of this was particularly fiddly.

10: Almost self-solve. I needed a slight hint from IchoTolot's replay at one point where I was overthinking the level - because I was determined to make a Miner go through here as well. But once I knew I had been overcomplicating things, I still stuck to my own solution in every other way, and only modified it where necessary. In particular, I turned the pioneer around with a Builder to prevent him from walking into the trap, then immediately cloned him, sending one clone into the chamber with the button via a Basher. This is why my solution still differs quite a bit from IchoTolot's, who went through the trap from the left using a Cloner for surrogate compression method.
Very nice level overall, especially with those two alternative approaches allowed! :thumbsup:
Also, I didn't realise the overlap between the Sonic and the SEB references on this particular level at first (but then found out myself even before you listed the level in your previous post :P ).
As such, this is the only Sonic level which I consider not to be "diluting" the main (music) theme of the pack... :P

11: I had the pioneer's work with the Stackers etc. figured out. But I guess I simply didn't want to believe that this would be yet another case of the Blocker-on-staircase-in-creation trick that is always precise to set up - this time with the Blocker coming from above, having to mine at just the right moment to get the timing right.

12: I initially overcomplicated things here by thinking I had to create a 3-Builder wall to prevent the bottom crowd from walking off to the left - because I was using a Digger to get rid of that wall of squares. That of course left me with too few Builders to finish the long staircase to the exit. Once I knew the release rate was spread out among the many hatches enough for that to not be necessary, and that I could just mine through that wall, I could keep everything else as I had planned before, because most of the rest of the level falls into place (much more so than level 06, which claims that to be true for itself :P ).
However, the relative timing between lemmings here is once again ridiculous. Constant rewinding to time Builder assignments, because many of the lemmings reach their respective water areas at almost the same time. And for the bottom left crowd, assigning the Glider to the first lemming on top of the wall of squares vs. right when he falls out of the hatch is what makes all the difference between solve and no-solve. Because gliding right out of the hatch will give him just enough of a leap ahead so that the lemming behind him won't drown, whereas gliding from the top of the wall alone doesn't. And it's not like the hatch or that wall were particularly high, so that you would expect this to make a difference on a conceptual level.
I definitely no longer feel as sorry as I used to for the initial version of my Lemmicks level "Do not fear" now :P , where that small difference in timing of the Glider assignment caused you to suffer quite a bit during the LP :evil: . At least that was unintentional, and I fixed it immediately.

13: My main conceptual mistake here was thinking I had to build across the first gap right next to the hatch, instead of allowing everyone to fall down and bash through that clump of terrain. Tanking the Miner on the one-way arrows to turn him around is pretty clever, though. Usually, one-way arrows give away more of the solution; however, in this case, they do a better job at disguising it than a steel piece in the same position would have done.

14: This one is the worst yet. I have taken my hint from IchoTolot's video on how to contain the crowd. Yet, despite having seen that, and even after countless attempts, I still can't pull it off. Even at maximum zoom and in true physics mode, using framestepping and arrow keys, I can't. Either the Digger/Basher keeps going, or at least one of the Miner does, or the Miner does cancel the other correctly, but does not leave a straight wall behind for the second pioneer lemming to climb out of the pit. All that also needs to be done on a short strip of irregularly-shaped terrain, so at some point you just randomly start trying different spots to do the same thing over and over again.
"We build castles made of slime?" was precise already, but at least that was just 1-2 skill assignments (Digger + Builder). This one here makes the slime-castle level seem completely harmless in terms of execution difficulty.
I really hope what IchoTolot did in his video is not the intended solution. If it isn't, I'd be interested in your intended solution for this. Otherwise, I might just outright refuse to do this one! :devil:

Legend 07, "Lemmingrad", which also includes a "Miner-goes-through" trick that requires similar amounts of setup as the levels in your pack featuring this trick do, like "Wild forever" and "Everything falls into place".

I'm not going to defend the Rapture levels for their pixel precision and interaction between 2 Lemmings to get things done, that is exactly what this rank requires and it is what separates it from the Murder rank.

Your Rapture 4 solution is different to my solution but it is still acceptable.

In Rapture 7, that bomber/basher trick is probably the trick which makes it harder than Murder 7. You're the first person to think Murder 7 is harder than this.

Rapture 10 is your first official back route that you've found, well done. I'm going to upload a fix in a moment.

Rapture 14 has joint won a contest here on the forums so it clearly was a well received level for a lot of people. If you're referring to IchoTolot's solution as a benchmark then it is on par with my solution.

Revolution 1 - Loving the Lemming! Excellent level to start off the rank! Solution is great

Revolution 2 - Sparkle Second great level in a row. Level essentially almost solves itself.

Revolution 3 - Don't Play With Fire! More difficult than the previous two levels, but not too hard. Once you contain the crowds, the rest is somewhat easy.

Revolution 4 - Welcome to Wafflemland! First X-of-everything level in the rank. It's not too hard, but it's not trivial. I have definitely seen the buzzsaw from the NL Tutorial pack. I guess I forgot that it doesn't come down to slice the lemming into a bloody pulp. Rather, the lemmings have to touch it in order to get killed.

Revolution 5 - Glain Yn Yr Dolur Calon Nice level with a great solution

Revolution 6 - Up The Wooden Hill Easy level. I totally forgot there was a time limit. That's the problem when you have played so many levels with unlimited time. That's why I wasn't too happy about the option of untimed levels in NL and was a huge factor of why I avoided NL for a very long time. I don't mind time limits at all, and I consider them a huge part of the game.

Revolution 7 - The Legend of Beeston I realized too late that this was a level from the MegSEBytes pack. I'm not sure why it took me a long time to solve the level this time. I think I remember struggling a bit with the level when I played the standalone pack, but I don't think it was anywhere near as long as this attempt. You sound as if I took a really long time to realize to bash under the water. It didn't take me that long! I have a blunt personality as well, so I can kind of understand this.

Revolution 8 - Harvey Haddon Sports Pyramid I feel as if I've played this level before. Either that or it was something similar. This level was a bit easier, as it certainly didn't take me anywhere near as long as the previous one.

Revolution 9 - A Tribute to Bob Holness Wow, talk about perfect timing, especially when I had no idea that the first level of the LP video was going to be a tribute to a game show host. It's as if I predicted it. Very nice level here! Solution didn't take me too long at all.

Revolution 10 - Today The Sun's On Us Easy level. I did the precise thing of cancelling a miner with another.

Revolution 11 - Tricks of the Trade (Part III) Harder than the two previous iterations, but it's still not too hard. The only hard part is timing the release of the crowd to block for the last builder. Again as you acknowledged the precision here can be cut down.

Revolution 12 - The Big Bang I really liked this one. Easy one.

Revolution 13 - Sadistic Lemming Factory Another level from the MegSEBytes pack. I remember this one being hard as well. Solution is not obvious at all. Nice design, though!

Revolution 14 - Wrong Side of the Sun Nice and easy level.

Revolution 15 - Alice in Wonderland Yes, the level did slow me down, but not that much! It's definitely harder than most of the previous levels of the rank. X-of-everything level that is far from trivial. As I said in the video, your girlfriend did a great job for a first attempt at making a level. She has me beat here, since I have yet to make one. I have doubts I can make one as good as this :P

Revolution 16 - Pac Attack Not difficult, just tricky. Love the tribute to Pac Man here. I didn't grow up with the game that this level is based on, but I have played some Pac Man and Ms. Pac Man myself growing up.

Revolution 17 - Hopeless Fantasies Another MegSEBytes level. I remember this was probably my first stumping point of the pack. Indeed, it still took me some time to find the solution again. It's a great one, though! :thumbsup:

Revolution 18 - All Work, No Play! Solution is obvious, execution is a bit precise. Easy one.

Revolution 19 - Mean Green Machine Yet another level from MegSEBytes. I confused this level with an earlier one in the rank that's in the pack. I remember this one being a hard one. Indeed, still have no idea why it took me a long time to solve this one. It seems that it's your MegSEBytes levels that end up taking me the longest to solve out of all the others. This is also the one that took me the longest to solve in the entire rank. Great level, though.

Revolution 20 - When The Storm has Blown Over Nice level to finish off the rank. Another not so trivial X-of-everything. I initially use so much stackers, which as you know is a skill I'm not so good with. Is this another MegSEBytes level? I don't remember if it is. 

I just realised that I probably overcomplicated the level at the end by assigning the Miner first so that the last pioneer would turn around once more and cloning him then. I simply could have cloned him first, allowing the original to walk into the exit (since it was already open by then), and only have the clone mine.

This is something I'm trying to enforce on a level from Lemmings: Hall of Fame. At first I thought Rapture 10 was showing me a way to finally enforce it (i.e. Miner first, Cloner second). But it doesn't even seem to be necessary here. Good thing I could assign the original Miner so far ahead that the little downward slope he created to tank on the steel didn't end up creating an insurmountable wall for the others :D ...

Stormy 1 - Band of Merry Lemmings Congrats on winning LOTY with this one! Excellent level to start off the rank. Easy one.

Stormy 2 - Star Light Rollcoaster Hard one. Took a long time to figure out how to get up the OWW efficiently. Also it was quite difficult to tell where the gaps were in the walls, but that's what I get for not using CPM. My non-use of it is completely intentional, as I essentially would like to figure stuff out as I go. Yes, I'm a proponent of all info needed to solve the level should be visible from the get-go, but this is more of familiarizing oneself with the tileset. Also very close to splat height at the top when I dug.

Stormy 3 - Just For You Wafflem! Thank you for showing me the link of his LP of the PS3 pack. At least this is a nice little puzzle! :thumbsup: Easy as long as you realize that you must keep the lemmings going instead of delaying them at the start.

Stormy 4 - Synchronised Nice level! Bit tricky, but it's still somewhat easy.

Stormy 5 - Scarborough Sands Level from the MegSEBytes pack. Very nice level and puzzle. This did take a bit of time, but it didn't take too long. For once this was a quick solve from that pack instead of taking a while. It's a short level anyway.

Stormy 6 - Big Top Drop! Somewhat difficult. Still not too hard. I say the hardest part is definitely the area where the entrance drops into the water. By that point, the losses get dangerously close to the save requirement amount. I like this tileset as well. 

Stormy 7 - SNAKE! Took me longer than it should had. Nice tricky puzzle even though there's only two different types of skills here. Didn't take me too long to figure out where the normal entrance goes, although ironically I kept sending in the athletes to go with the non-athlete crowd even after I had determined that they cannot go with them.

Stormy 8 - That's Blockbusters! As you have mentioned, I overcomplicated this one. The fiddlyness with the spacing between the lemmings to bomb at the left side was completely unnecessary. It all came down to all the lemmings turning around in the miner tunnel and just letting one through. Then more fiddlyness with getting a lemming ahead enough to stack in time to turn everyone around.

Stormy 9 - Lemmings on the Stream - Second 1-of-everything level in a row. This one was a much faster solve. I don't know if losing a lemming to the stomper trap is intended.

Stormy 10 - Mother O'Donoghue Another MegSEBytes level. I remember this one being difficult. I think this one ended up taking me just as long as when I solved the level in the standalone pack. Still a nice level that looks daunting due to the sheer length. Also the music is quite nice here ;)

Stormy 11 - Futuristic Climber Zone Another level that took me longer than I thought it would. Definitely figuring out the area with the walker trap and stacking and platforming across to avoid the airlock trap are key. Interesting that the stackers are enough of a stall to give the platformers enough time to finish.

Stormy 12 - Gold Run Another hard 1-of-everything level. Just like you already mentioned, I also overcomplicated this one. Sounds like the way I used the stoner was totally not intended. I myself was surprised that the crowd is still able to get past the stoner and up the basher staircase on the left.

Stormy 13 - I Feel Six and Twenty Eyes Somewhat difficult, but this is a very nice puzzle! I like this one. Certainly the hardest part was figuring out how to get the right entrance out. Nice red herring with the OWW.

Stormy 14 - Thought of Jigsaw and Made This The only level in the rank that needed 2 videos to solve. Not too happy about that, but what can you do about it. Nice level. The non-solve was definitely due to some wrong skill placements, as well as the wrong lemmings to do the work.

Stormy 15 - Wild Forever Ugh, took so long to get both builder placements correct for the miner to go through them. That part is very obvious, especially since there's only one miner. Really a case of solution is a bit obvious, getting it to work can be frustrating. I figured out getting past the lizard trap very fast. After that, took some time to figure out how to temporarily contain the crowd.

Stormy 16 - This is NOT a Drill! This was probably my favorite level of the rank. Nice and easy. The only thing that took me a while was the digger, but it didn't take too long.

Stormy 17 - Are You What You Want To Be? Another MegSEBytes level. I remember this one being hard. Lots of difficult and tricky areas and puzzles to figure out in each place. The area with the OWWs at the bottom just shortly after the entrance to the left is one such tricky part. Definitely the sheer size of the level gives the appearance of a daunting level.

Stormy 18 - Will You Start The Fans Please! Another excellent level! The most difficult part is getting through the ball-like structure in the middle. Otherwise, not too hard of a level. Very nice infinite loop the crowd is stuck in at the beginning until the blocker pickup is collected :thumbsup:

Stormy 19 - Rick-afinity I didn't think this one was too hard. You just have to be careful with your platformers/builders. Nice choice of music here. I would had sang along if I knew the lyrics while LPing the level.

Stormy 20 - On the Dancefloor Tricky builders only level to finish off the Stormy rank. I now know that builder bricks can appear past the one-way fields if positioned correctly, similar to building through a thin wall. I say both sides are equally challenging to build up to get to the exit.

Murder 1 - The Five Arches Excellent puzzle to start off the rank. Once I counted the number of destructive skills and the number of walls/obstacles and how many skills it would take for each, the solution came to me easily.

Murder 2 - Let's Go Sonic! Another nice and easy level. Great design here ;)

Murder 3 - Running Out Of Space I wasn't a fan of this one due to the fiddlyness that can result. I'm generally not that good at using bombers. The saving grace here was that one crowd could be contained, while you could keep the other one going and afford to lose some lemmings not just to bombers.

Murder 4 - Meet Your Maker Easy level. Nice tribute to namida here, although I only knew that because of your comment.

Murder 5 - Up and Down and All Around MegSEBytes level. No idea why it took me so long to see the solution here. Interestingly enough, I believe I tried the mining through the staircase and releasing the blocker in the bottom right entrance and was able to manage there. Here, not sure how I overlooked the basher-blocker and releasing him with a nearby bomber for so long. I kept trying to destroy the wall from the right side to get the crowd up. That uses up 2 very crucial destructive skills that can be used elsewhere. I believe here the only change from the Old Formats version is the addition of the fire trap on the right side where the OWW is below the exit. I think it simply prevents gliders from being able to land safely on the right side, and this change is apparently enough to increase the difficulty dramatically. I think I remember trying some very fiddly stuff around that area on the Old Formats version. You mentioned this is Wafflem's solution, so who knows what he intended here.

As previously mentioned, this is the first level in the pack to take me 3 videos to solve. It really sucks that I don't have the second video of my attempt at this level. Ugh, me and not having OBS open :'( Since each video was about an hour long when attempting this level, it pretty much took almost 3 hours before I finally solved it. Definitely atypical of me.

Murder 6 - The Story of the Eggs This one was somewhat easy. Definitely didn't take me too long to figure most parts out. I did have problems when trying to get to the button near the teleporter at the bottom, but that's because I had some destructive skills placed at the wrong location on the wire structure at the bottom. Nice puzzle and level, though

Murder 7 - The Call of Lucia Another one that managed to stump me. I tried something that was incorrect for a long time. I haven't considered simply building the bridge and checking to see if it was indeed a safe drop. I kept incorrectly assuming it was a splat fall. My success really came down to the wire on time, so it's definitely due to when I released the climbers.

Murder 8 - The SEB Western I really like this level. It looks difficult, but it's actually not too hard. Doing that digger tunnel inside the miner tunnel is quite clever. I really like how the solution all comes together.

Murder 9 - 30-MegSEBytes Hard Drive A real stumper where I almost gave up on the pack but thankfully I didn't throw in the towel and just kept coming back and trying stuff. I was stuck mostly due to sequencing the skills incorrectly. Most importantly, I couldn't figure out what the glider was for for a very long time. Yes, I did get confused with how lemmings die instantly when using the teleporter without the platformer bridge, but they are fine when it is there, but again that's not why I had problems with the level. Let's what for me to possibly finish the Rapture rank first to see if this level deserves to move back up to that rank.

Murder 10 - Birth of an Empire Much easier than the previous level, although this one still took me some time. I pretty much had most of it figured out fairly quickly. The only very precise part in my solution is the bottom right where I mined and then bashed. It had to be done at just the right moment during the miner's animation in order to prevent the two lemmings that were coming up to him from dying to the trap.

Murder 11 - Aztec Dune Zone I remember this one being tricky but still somewhat easy from the MegSEBytes pack. Indeed, for once this was a fairly quick solve for a level from that pack. Very nice level. I really like this one. The only part I remember struggling with in the Old Formats version was the very end at the exit area with getting the climber/glider to turn back, but here I didn't really have any problems here with that.

Murder 12 - Like A Lem in A Candy Shop Tricky but somewhat easy level, although I was frustrated with getting the timing right so that no one slips past the blocker at the top where the exit is. You have already described the solution to me in your comment, and yea that would had ended up saving me some frustration. Instead, I ended up switching between max and default RR several times, as well as the very precise digger/builder assignment at the bottom. Other than that, I pretty much had most of the solution figured out until I had to deal with the annoyance of separating a lemming so that no one gets past the blocker I placed at the top.

Murder 13 - No Time to Die (Flopsy style!) Nice tribute to namida's level from LPI. You already told me my solution is a backroute from taking the left side. I even managed to have more than 30 seconds left, so surely it's not supposed to be this forgiving. Then again, I did practically sped things up whenever the opportunity arose. Amazing that I even 1-shot the level :PI'm still going to keep moving along in the pack if you end up releasing an update. I may or may not come back to resolve the level later once I'm done with the pack.

Murder 14 - We Build Castles Made of Slime? I recognize this as part of a level from United's Bonus rank. This is the level that Icho was referring to in his post in the United level pack topic. This level proved to be just as challenging as the United level, although this is one is easier. I didn't mind this one, although it seems everyone complained about the digger releasing two lemmings to get past the trap to be very precise. I had no idea that it triggers so fast.

Murder 15 - Golden Round This was probably my favorite level of the rank. I really like the puzzle and solution here. I'm definitely not used to the difficulty of navigating the honeycomb structures, but it at least doesn't take long to determine that one can use a builder to help lemmings get out of them. The moment where the solution came to me was when I figured out how to get a lemming from the left hatch to help the right entrance by digging and then gliding. I felt proud when I figured that out.

Murder 16 - Great Scot! I surprisingly struggled with this one as well. It definitely comes down to figuring out the builder/miner trick at the beginning. I thought this is clever. I can definitely understand why most say this level is hard, but really the only hard part is figuring out the aforementioned builder/miner trick. The other reason I struggled was due to incorrectly determining that 4 builders are needed to get up to the exit, when in fact the 3 builders I kept having at the end is indeed sufficient. That's what I get for hastily coming to conclusions when I haven't even tried it out.

Murder 17 - Medieval Mystery Zone I really like this level. I also thought it was a fairly easy one, especially since a lot of the skill placements are quite obvious. Nice use of several tricks here, particularly block at the end of the builder staircase to turn him around, as well as mining into steel to turn around.

Murder 18 - Darkside Lightside I like how you did the dark/light side here, where I thought about lemmings starting in the dark side and have to make their way and transition into the light side of the level. This was another level I struggled with. In the first video, my solution would had worked had it not been for the time limit. In the second video where I do solve the level, I'm certain that I ended up overcomplicating the solution, especially since I resulted to using a climber stuck in the stoner terrain to turn around. The blocker at the end had to be placed at the right location so that the climber bashes through the OWW before anyone turns around, as well as the digger gets deep enough before anyone is able to step out of it to the left.

Murder 19 - Tricks of the Trade (Part V) I surprisingly struggled with this one too. This is the second level in the pack to take me 3 videos to solve. I thought I had the solution a couple of times, only to find that there was a caveat that I didn't take into account. It's amusing how I didn't even notice the small gap where the fire trap is before the OWW on the right side. This level definitely isn't that much harder than the previous iterations of the level. I had problems simply due to having a lot of wrong ideas at the bottom and how I couldn't figure out how to get the first bridge over the acid done in time before anyone falls into it. It looks like what I tried in the first video was pretty much right, I simply never thought about using two bridges to seal off the gap with the right wall at the bottom instead of using a stack after one full bridge. I think this is due to how as a player we're pretty much trained to conserve builders wherever and whenever possible. The level ended up being a very quick solve in the third video because of how I realized the solution in my mind during my evening break.

Murder 20 - Here Comes the Rapture! This level ended up taking up a lot of recording time in the video where I finally managed to solve Murder 19. I think the likely reason I struggled is due to how I'm so bad with using stackers. The level isn't necessarily difficult for the Murder rank finisher. It's simply due to how I couldn't figure out the best way to do the top left and bottom right side of the exit area for a long time. In the end, I'm not sure if the solution is intended. There might be easier solutions than mine, too.   

Murder 1 - Aaahh!!! Real Monsters MegSEBytes level here. I believe this was the final level of the pack too. Honestly, for the MegSEBytes pack this is nowhere near the hardest level. Some of the other ones were much harder than this. Here, it's the other way, being the first level of the Rapture rank. Still, great somewhat tricky level to start off the rank. As can be seen, I struggled to remember how I solved it. I had totally forgotten that one basher is enough to get the crowd up after the first wall.

Murder 2 - Sucks to be Flopsy! Difficult level due to the very tight time limit. It's also a difficult puzzle, but it's not too terribly hard.

Murder 3 - I'd Never Make A Level About You The second level after Murder 9 where I nearly gave up on the pack, as it sent me into being very upset with myself. Even worse was when this was the level where I contemplated on leaving the community because of how I felt I was worthless if I couldn't solve it. Again, it's due to not being used to being stumped for a long time and I later realized that I was being way too hard on myself. In the end, I felt the week break I took from the game helped a lot. I played other computer games in the meantime.

Thank you for not giving away any of the solution. I find it very interesting how the critical lynchpin was discovered during my off-camera working out the level. The strange thing is that I have used the overlapping builders trick to solve a few levels, yet it completely escaped me here for a very long time. It's definitely not a very well-known trick at all and so this level definitely makes the top 5 hardest of the pack.

As can be seen in my successful attempt, for a while I was extremely confused why what I worked out off-camera wasn't all of a sudden working anymore. I kept trying every pixel position only for the bridges to not connect by about a pixel every time. Turns out that you have to builder with the climber from above nearly at the moment the bridge is long enough to catch him. You have told me that you have already fixed it for a future patch so that it isn't as precise. Even then, the level's still going to be very hard for others who take on the pack.

Rapture 4 - Mixed Up World Another level from the MegSEBytes pack. I ended up taking the ceiling route in the Old Formats version. Here in the New Formats version, that route is blocked due to the steel blocks. This level was difficult only because I incorrectly thought two builders wouldn't be enough to get to the exit, similar to another level in either the Revolution or the Stormy rank (I can't remember now) where I thought a platformer wouldn't be enough to get up to the exit. This is what I get for jumping to conclusions too quickly and for not having tried it first. It also didn't help that I totally forgot that what's part of the exit is background, not solid terrain. The green terrain on top of the blue terrain where the exit is certainly doesn't help matters at all and can easily make someone think that with two builders it's too high to get up. This is an easy fix, though. Simply make the exit platform longer and adjust the exit position.

Other than that, I pretty much had all of the solution in a lot of my previous attempts, especially when I didn't have anything to release the crowd. This is a great level with extremely good trickery, where it seems that the gap to the left after mining one needs to avoid using the platformer, but it turns out it's not a waste of the skill. By doing so, you spare the walker, which in turn spares a constructive skill for the very end. Nice! :)

Rapture 5 - I'm Not Leaving Here Without You Second MegSEBytes level in a row. This was my favorite level of the rank. I absolutely love the solution here. I couldn't quite remember the solution, but of course it doesn't matter, since I was able to solve it again.

Rapture 6 - Everything Falls Into Place Indeed it does when you spot the solution. I also like this level. I have already mentioned that I'm surprised people found this level difficult.

Rapture 7 - The Call of Kyusu Another excellent level. I thought this one is easier than the Egyptian level in the previous rank. The only difficult part is the bomber basher at the end. The time limit isn't as tight here as the other level.

Rapture 8 - Leave The Others Alone Easiest level of the entire rank. The only reason why it can be difficult is due to sealing up the wall to the left on the bottom with a builder and also mining to release the blocker both being very precise, but I didn't have to rewind too much there.

Rapture 9 - Back in the Saddle Nice level that looks difficult but isn't that bad at all. I love the design here, especially the electric power lines at the top and the locomotive at the end.

Rapture 10 - Supersonic Another nice level that is challenging, but it's a great puzzle. The main reason I struggled was due to incorrect digger placement that resulted in the builder at the top not working out the way it needs to so that he can come back to mine out the crowd.

Rapture 11 - The Jagged Staircase I thought this one was a hard one, particularly since levels that give a lot of stackers tend to be very difficult for me. You can consider these levels hard for kaywhyn ones :crylaugh: This one wasn't as bad as I thought, but that's probably because I ended up finding a much different solution than others. Honestly, I consider my solution just as difficult even if it misses digging away the left side to get the lemmings at the bottom to climb back up and that I was able to spare the blocker. I even learned that a stacker after a couple of miner strokes is step upable from the opposite side. I never knew this was possible.

Rapture 12 - Shoot From the Hip Not a terribly difficult level, just difficult due to not knowing if builders can be used to delay. It's also not easy to work out what skills to use to keep the lemmings progressing further to the right. My solution nearly fails had the runaway athlete not landed on the other side. He came when the bridge was just the right length to be able to do so. One less brick and he would had landed in the quicksand.

Rapture 13 - Grab the Devil by the Horns Another difficult level for me, but as it turns out I really overcomplicated the solution here, especially since I resorted to a timing heavy one and used compression for the bear trap. The basher where the retractable trap is with the steel plate underneath was very precise to prevent anyone else from dying to it. The miner to get the crowd up was very precise as well, along with the builders.

Rapture 14 - What A Bonnie Wee Level! Very hard level, although the most difficult part is certainly the starting area, where there isn't that much room to try and contain the crowd. It's a very difficult one to work out. As can be seen, I initially resorted to an extremely timing heavy solution where I was trying to get a climber to bash inside the miner tunnel at the earliest possible moment so that cancelling it midstroke lemmings can still step up through the ceiling. I kept trying it for a very long time before realizing that there must be a way for me make the starting area so that after containing the crowd I could still release a climber. I initially kept trying to use two diggers to do so, but eventually I stumbled upon using a digger, two miners, and two bashers to achieve the crowd containment and make a climbable vertical wall for a climber. The first miner has to be very precise and then one needs to cancel the right facing miner with a left facing one. The rest after that was easy, while keeping one's fingers crossed that you won't run out of time.

Rapture 15 - Gravity Coaster Another level that I thought was going to be difficult for me due to so many stackers, but this one wasn't as bad as I thought. Still a difficult level, though. My solution does feel hackish, though, especially since I lost a few lemmings and then made up by freeing the blockers.

Rapture 16 - Treversal Easy one and another favorite of mine. Sealing off the small gap after cloning seems very timing heavy, but here I believe it's necessary for the clone to not turn around before he gets a chance to shrug. I'm amazed that I manage to get the second builder placement correct on my first tries every time for a fencer to continue :crylaugh:

Rapture 17 - Milly's Lair Another easy one, although I struggled only due to incorrectly bashing to the right to release the blockers instead of the other way. This is a nice level and another favorite.

Rapture 18 - It REALLY Sucks to be Flopsy!!! At least if someone else had made a hard level for you in your style. This one is hard, but it wasn't as bad as I thought. Surely my solution isn't intended, especially since I have a few skills leftover, one of which was a pickup skill. My solution nearly fails anyway, had the builder not been able to seal off the miner tunnel to the left. The digger and miner had to be placed very precise in order to get the crowd up. The digger needs to happen immediately upon landing, while the miner needs to happen pretty much at the first possible moment the crowd can get up.

Rapture 19 - Keep Up the Riff-Raff Second zombie level of the pack I believe. This one was a hard one for me, but only because I really overcomplicated the solution. I ended up using a brute force solution and even ended up with a spare digger. Good to see that the very tight timing to get the lemming to glide to get the top left button is intended when I saw that Icho did the same. However, I like his solution far better than mine. It's easier and much cleaner.

Rapture 20 - Final Rush As mentioned before, this is nowhere near the hardest level of the main pack. I had already solved this level over the summer when I was helping eric to get the talisman, but even then it still took me some time to try and remember how I solved the level due to the lapse of time. Still, great level to finish off the rank and the main pack, especially with a timer to fit the level title. It's really funny how I said that I wasn't going to bother with the talisman in the video, yet I ended up getting it anyway. I wasn't even sure if I would, since I don't remember how much time needs to be left on the clock.   

MegSEBytes 1 - Collaboration Station Nice and easy level to start off the rank! :thumbsup:

MegSEBytes 2 - Target Training Course Another very easy level. I especially love the design here. These first two levels are definitely reminiscent of the Paradise rank with being X-of-everything levels. The buttons in this tileset look cool.

MegSEBytes 3 - Stay BUBBLY From this point on, it's pretty much several X-of-everything in a very wide landscape. So really it's just enduring long and complicated layouts. Still easy, though.

MegSEBytes 4 - Brothers in Arms Now we're up to the maximum amount that we were given for the skills in some Paradise levels. Just like the Paradise rank, these levels aren't complete pushovers. Great variety here. This is another one where I really like the design. I say the hardest part would be getting through the maze with the steel blocks as the outside. I especially love the large variety of obstacles that can be gotten past, and the result is a very interesting puzzle. Nice job, Flopsy and Wafflem! :thumbsup:

MegSEBytes 5 - Into the Woods I remember this level being challenging in the MegSEBytes pack. Then again, it was the final level of the first rank there, so it was expected to be challenging. Even more so due to how I hate the weasel trap is quite difficult to see in that pack. Here, it's very easy due to the secondary animations. Were they recently added? Nice challenging puzzle that's not quite a true X-of-everything level. I like how the right side needs to help out the left side by collecting the swimmer pickups so that they can go through the waterfall. That's quite genius! :thumbsup:

MegSEBytes 6 - Scrambled Lemmings Now we're on the second rank of the MegSEBytes pack. This would be the first level of the second rank IIRC. Easy level to start off that rank, but it's still an easy level. All that's needed is to isolate a worker swimmer lemming to do the work.

MegSEBytes 7 - Never Let Me Down Quite a challenging X-of-everything level. This level does a really great job in teaching the lesson of conserving your skills whenever possible. In particular, conserving your constructive skills is very important here, but the same goes with the destructive skills.

MegSEBytes 8 - Mummies Alive! Much easier than the previous level. I really like this one! :thumbsup: Very nice solution.

MegSEBytes 9 - Groovejet Hangar I believe this is the penultimate level of the second rank of the MegSEBytes pack. Though somewhat bare, I still love the design here. I remember this level being a bit challenging, but it's still not too hard. Nice puzzle where you need to get a lemming from the left hatch to come rescue the hatches on the right.

MegSEBytes 10 - Come With Us Once I saw this level, I'm sure I remember this being the final level of the second rank of the MegSEBytes pack. Despite being an X-of-everything level, this is not trivial at all. It's a challenging level. I especially love how the tileset has an extremely great mix of colors. I say the most difficult thing about this level is being able to get to all the buttons while making sure you have enough skills to complete the level. Figuring out how to do so is not easy at all.

MegSEBytes 11 - The Outbreak As you told me over the summer, this was probably the only level in the pack to break due to the changed glider physics. Indeed, Icho reported this level breaking when he saw that his replay didn't work. Nice puzzle using the preplaced lemming as the worker to do the entire level for the crowd. The only difficult part is the middle with the castle, especially with getting to the updrafts in the sky near the top.

MegSEBytes 12 - SEBpphires I remember this one being difficult in the Old Formats version. Now that we're in the third rank of the MegSEBytes pack, the pack's definitely done playing around now. Here, we're probably around the Stormy rank of SEB Lems in terms of difficulty. The hardest part is definitely the right side of the level after collecting the pickup. Nice challenging puzzle with lots of good red herrings here with where to use the platformers.

MegSEBytes 13 - Running Circles Around The Moon I say somewhat easier than the previous level, made harder due to being a huge level with three entrances, two of which will head into danger if nothing is done. I don't remember if this is how I solved the Old Formats version, but I think it's more or less that solution, since I definitely remember using a timing heavy solution here, especially with the two builders at the end by doing it at a time when I didn't have any lemmings nearby to drop off and go splat.

MegSEBytes 14 - A Pirate's Life For Me I definitely remember being stuck on this level for a very long time in the Old Formats version. Indeed, that's exactly what happened here in the New Formats version as well. The strict timer here adds to the challenge even more. I'm guessing it's not really to block any backroute but rather to prevent taking all the time in the world to solve the level. Then again, this is the final level of the third rank of the MegSEBytes pack, so it's definitely supposed to be hard. I say we're now around the Revolution rank or possibly even Murder rank here.

This was one of the levels where I was trying so hard to remember how I solved it in the Old Formats version. This is also another level where the solution came to me after I had gone to bed for the night. Definitely not the same solution as the Old Formats one, since I definitely remember relying on a very timing heavy solution and digging to get to the first button to the left of the entrance. Indeed, my solutions are different, as I decided to showcase my Old Formats solution, which fortunately works here. In any case, I like my New Formats solution better, and it's also the same as Icho's. It's not as tight on time either.

MegSEBytes 15 - Lights, Camera, Action! This was another level I remember struggling with in the MegSEBytes pack. I believe this is the first level of the 4th rank in that pack. Probably now around the Murder rank. I ended up assigning a blocker to the basher midstroke. Due to where it's standing, the climbers will be able to get past it. I really love how there's an actual camera in the level. Great design here. I checked my Old Formats solution after solving, and I used a far cleaner and easier solution. Too bad it doesn't work in the New Formats version for some reason.

MegSEBytes 16 - Lemsels in Distress Very nice level here in terms of the puzzle. It's somewhat challenging, but it's not too difficult. It's amusing how I made the incorrect assumption that lemmings couldn't step out to the right where the OWW is where the green moss is. The problem here is that I didn't even notice it, hence why I kept trying to see if I could save a skill somewhere. Also the amusing climber falls back into the water thing. I already showed that to namida, and he says it's not a bug, which I agree with.

MegSEBytes 17 - Digital Ice Age As mentioned outside the spoiler, this is one of the few levels that is different from the Old Formats version. Other than the higher save requirement, I believe the skillset is a bit different as well. There are also OWAs on the green bottle. I definitely remember struggling with this one. Then again, it is the first level of the final rank of the MegSEBytes pack. Here, we're either late Murder or even early Rapture. I ended up with a climber and bomber leftover.

My Old Formats replay apparently fails here as well. I'm not sure why, although I think it's once again an incompatibility issue between Old Formats and New Formats. I also remember in the Old Formats version where lemmings don't immediately exit if they use the teleporter going to the right. Here, lemmings are able to exit regardless of which direction they come out of the receiver. Maybe because the exit was shifted a bit here? Or maybe it has a larger trigger area?

MegSEBytes 18 - Can You Hear Me? One of the two levels exclusive to the New Formats version of SEB Lems. This is definitely not an easy level regardless of the solution you do, but then again perhaps the reason I had problems was how I went for a 100% solution. Indeed, you kind of told me that the two MegSEBytes levels found only in the New Formats version are difficult. Also, I'm not sure if it's supposed to happen, but when the climber was climbing at the top I thought he was going to die due to going off the top of the level. Is there a tiny piece of terrain or something? If there isn't, it's probably a bug. I did turn on CPM to see if I could see some light gray there, but all I see is the level border brown.

MegSEBytes 19 - Circuit Breakers Definitely another level I remember struggling with in the Old Formats version. Indeed, that's what happened here as well. I don't remember if it was due to how I didn't realize that there's solid terrain at the top where the teleporter is in the Old Formats version. I must had been aware that it was solid between the steel blocks up there. When I was working on this level off-camera, it was kind of an oopsie in that I accidentally activated CPM and saw a light shade of grey up there. That's what I get for thinking I knew everything that is to know about the tileset. Then again, can you really blame me for not realizing it? From what I remember, there hasn't really been any level in the tileset where you interact with that terrain piece via destructive skills. Not to mention that it's very different from the usual green/turquoise pieces, and not helped by the fact that it has a black border around it. I had to check the Old Formats version to make sure it wasn't an issue with the changed glider physics.

I tried showcasing my Old Formats solution as well, but the replays also fails here. Indeed, I checked not too long ago, and it turns out there are some other differences besides the OWAs at the top where the receiver is. The middle platform is also shorter so that it's not possible to glide on there from the OWW. My Old Formats solution has me doing that, and as a result I had a miner leftover. Here, I'm sure it's not possible to solve without using all skills.

MegSEBytes 20 - Spaced Out The second level exclusive to the New Formats version of the SEB Lems pack. No relying on any of my replays for this here! Of course, doesn't matter, since I eventually figured it out. The third level in the rank to require more than one video to solve. In the end, I used quite a timing heavy solution in order to be able to have no one besides the climbers slip past the stacker at the top. Here, I needed to find the right timing to do the stacks so that one lemming was far enough ahead to be able to have enough time to make a full stack. I definitely felt uneasy about using a stacker and a platformer to collect the stacker pickups in midair, since a builder is the most efficient without wasting a lot of skills. I still liked the level and puzzle, though. Especially with a great music track on top of it! ;)

As I suspected, there is indeed a much cleaner and easier solution that doesn't involve all of the crowd walking aimlessly about at the top. I watched Icho's solution after solving this level, and I definitely like his solution way better compared to mine. It simply never occurred to me to trap everyone at the bottom. Not to mention that I wasn't able to figure out how to get them out with the tools provided.

Unrequited 1 - Smells Like Team Spirit Nice level to start off the Unrequited rank. Even though it's a 5-of-everything level, the rank already starts off a bit difficult. Therefore, this tells me that the rank isn't going to be a complete pushover right away. This would definitely be around late Paradise rank.

Unrequited 2 - Just 1 Word I Want You To Know Another excellent level, and as the title suggests it's a 1-of-everything level. Probably early Bittersweet rank. I really like this level! :thumbsup: Ironically wasn't the bane of my existence, given my history of struggling with 1-of-everything levels throughout the pack :crylaugh: Then again, it's only the second level of the pack, so this one wasn't too difficult at all.

Unrequited 3 - We Will Rock You! I'm not sure if the intended route involves going through the bottom left area, since it seems that what's intended, and I didn't do that. However, I later saw Icho's solution, and he didn't go through that area either. This would suggest that the level is open-ended. Another nice level that can be difficult but can also be easy if you know how.

Unrequited 4 - The Universe and the Maths Whizz Somewhat easy level. The only difficult would be timing the climbers so that the one bashing to the right finishes in time before the one coming back to the left after cloning the miner at the end arrives. I do have a digger leftover, so I wonder if it's simply to delay the lemming coming back to the left in case the timing is a bit off?

Unrequited 5 - This Is What You're Getting Easy level. One of my favorites as well. Very nice long miner to free the crowd and all the preplaced lemmings with the exception of the bottom rightmost two.

Unrequited 6 - Heads, Shoulders, Knees and Toes Nice reference to the song in the title. One of the way more challenging X-of-everything levels, especially with how to get to the buttons at the bottom. Once I figured out to use a glider, the rest of the level was somewhat smooth sailing. Probably late Bittersweet or even early Revolution rank. I love the design of the level here with how there's 3 lemming sprites: One walking to the left, one standing still (you can imagine it being a blocker but without the arms stretched out), and one walking to the right. Can definitely never go wrong with this version of Pachabel's Canon ;)

Unrequited 7 - In Between Worlds I surprisingly struggled with this one. All sections were easy, but I especially struggled with the top left area. Once again, I made the incorrect conclusion that the climbers would splat after climbing the wall on the left before I even tried it. It looks like I made the solution difficult in that quadrant, as the bridge nearly fails to connect from the left. I watched Icho's solution after solving the level, and it never occurred to me to build in such a way so that when cloning the right facing builder the left facing one will fall after the trap trigger, which in turn will make it easier to bridge and connect with the bridge from the other side.

Unrequited 8 - The Story of the Missing Present Easy level. There wasn't anything too difficult about this one.

Unrequited 9 - 99 Ways to Die Somewhat easy, although the hardest part IMO is getting up in the middle area at the bottom. I definitely like this tileset. And of course, I like the music here. It would be more appropriate had I played it several weeks ago around the Christmas holiday, but this one I feel is a great one to listen to anytime of the year.

Unrequited 10 - How's The Island Punch? I also ended up struggling with this one, surprisingly. I think in one of my early attempts I was trying to do the blocker on a builder staircase to turn the climber on the platform above. It turns out that I simply had it going the wrong way and didn't think about doing it going from left to right. I like this trick right here of the climber still being able to turn around on a blocker even though the latter is not on the same level as the climber. This is definitely something new I haven't seen before. I guess in a way it's counterintuitive, since we're generally used to blocking on the same level rather than different elevations. Still, very nice level! :thumbsup: Same music twice in a row. Not a problem, since I like this track anyway.

Unrequited 11 - Mapperley at the Tree Tops Nice and easy level here. I love the design here, along with a very nice music track :)

Unrequited 12 - Are You Really The Devil? Another nice and easy level. The key here is realizing there's enough time to platform across the lava pit before coming back to make the splatform for the crowd and being able to save enough. I believe here one can platform and then build as well.

Unrequited 13 - Can't Have It All Somewhat difficult, but not as hard as I thought it would be. This seems to be a backroute, especially since I don't even use the blocker pickup I collected. I watched Icho's solution after solving, and he doesn't use the blocker either. This would probably indicate that the level didn't change at all since the time he uploaded his video solution to when I started playing the pack. I would say that the most difficult part is getting up the level. Also it wasn't really clear whether or not the fall is survivable after digging to get to the bottom in the exit area.

Unrequited 14 - The Lemming Disaster Suite Somewhat difficult. The part at the beginning is probably the hardest and potentially very fiddly, but once you figure it out the rest is somewhat easy. I also realized that I could had made the end easier by having the climber worker make his way back up via swimming and climbing to bomb the wall before releasing the crowd.

Unrequited 15 - 30 Probably the hardest level of the entire rank. After the second video attempt, a thought came to me after I was done for the night, which was to dig down the gold pillar at the end so that the crowd can get up the miner tunnel. I pretty much timed it so that no one gets trapped in the pit on the other side of the builder, as well as build at the maximum height lemmings can still step up. It's also necessary to bash so that he can build a little further back and still make it up to the exit and so the crowd can get up the miner tunnel. These ended up being quite precise.

Another level where I watched Icho's solution after solving. As usual, I really overcomplicated the solution. I really like what he did at the beginning to contain the crowd while also sparing the builder that I was really trying so hard to save. It would had made the ending area easier for me. I also resorted to the timing heavy element of mining out the wall at the top while a builder was in progress. What is with me with overcomplicating solutions :XD:

Unrequited 16 - The High Cube Not too hard but at the same time not trivial. Once again, after solving I watched Icho's solution, and I like his solution compared to mine. I resorted to using a basher tunnel in progress to turn the second climber around to mine out the crowd. Can be very tight on time, although it should be clear that the left crowd needs to be released earlier than the right entrance due to being farther away from the exit.

Unrequited 17 - Machinery Another great level. Not a hard level as well, although it's amusing how I kept trying to get through with just one basher with the wall at the top. I incorrectly determined that two bombers were needed for each floor near the exit, when one bomber is enough to start bashing the wall on the second floor. The only hard part is getting the timing right. Time here is especially very tight. As can be seen in the LP, I kept releasing the crowd too early before the basher breaks through the wall at the end. That took several tries to get right. Also I'm quite confused why building at the edge of the conveyor belt doesn't turn lemmings around but building a bit further back does. This seems to run contrast to the one seen in MegSEBytes 20. I guess I don't know when it's considered an object and when it's not. Perhaps if I had activated CPM it would had given me the answer.

Unrequited 18 - I'd Give You Anything Nice level, although once again I really overcomplicated this one. I pretty much had the right solution in mind for a while, it was just working out the timing so that it works. Very timing heavy solution here! After solving, watched Icho's solution, and I have no idea why I failed to realize another spot to dig at the top of the tree so that I didn't need to resort to a digger cancelling another one :forehead:

Unrequited 19 - Hot For High Times Great level here. Solution is obvious, just getting the timing right and executing is quite difficult. Fortunately, there's only two outcomes for platformers, either they turn around after hitting terrain in front of them, or they can build the full platform even when it's slightly touching terrain. That was the key part, making sure no one turns around too early before any gap is done being platformed over. Also, it's important that the final gap to the left of the OWW is finished before the climber on the other side arrives, and he also needs to bash before anyone is able to climb and die to the flamethrower.

Unrequited 20 - How Does It Feel? Even though I needed two videos to solve the final level of the pack, I still think this is an excellent level! :thumbsup: Very nice level and quite fitting for the final level of SEB Lems. I pretty much got the solution fairly quickly here. I simply was missing how to work out getting a climber worker lemming ahead to forge the path for the rest before coming back to mine out the crowd. As it turns out, I mined to the right at the top on the left side at the wrong spot, which caused me to unnecessarily use a blocker in the wrong place. I worked on the level off camera for a bit before coming back to quickly record the solution. It should had been obvious to me that a blocker is needed to turn the other climbers around to give the worker lemming enough time to forge the path after I found out that using a builder and then mining into the OWW would had resulted in not enough skills to solve the level. That didn't occur to me due to using the blocker in the wrong place and hence I had no blockers at that point to consider it. I kept trying to time it so that the worker lemming could bridge the gaps before the other climbers arrive. As it turns out, they will always arrive before he finishes.